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Well said

ghostinthemachine

All SAiNT asked of us was to choose from the selection he provided and nothing more. He didn't ask us to put in our opinion on which one we personally thought was the best and the most "free".

We're NOT SAiNT's slaves. The most here WANT to decide themselves which is the best!! It's obvious that SAiNT wants to have specific file hosters on his pages. I don't care if he +others make money with downloads - but it's better to have free links too.

Guys, any suggestions what to eat for dinner?

ghostinthemachine

The truth is this place provides a service and it requires funds to keep it going and to help it grow. And unless your a contributor or run your own blog, you won't understand the amount of effort it takes to do either of those things. I think thats a fact you guys are somehow blocking in your minds to justify some irrelevant issue that should have never come about.

That's what i was saying... +1

@Kookaboo

Slaves? Nonsense.

This poll is not about choosing the best host, it is about choosing the better among a list preferred by the big uploaders (although that nuance should have been made clearer).

Of course, most of these hosts have horrible speed for free users, but that is precisely the only reason they are there: allowing the big uploaders to come here and make revenues out of pirated material, and AudioZ is one of those markets that cater to these people.

And there's nothing wrong with that (except if your product is pirated of course).

Be grateful there are good uploaders that allow mirrors, and then that there are other good uploaders that post good mirrors for free users.

For those who "want to decide themselves which is best", they can search (and they will find) places with better links (... but not necessarily for all the pirated contents found here).

Remember, this isn't a community, it's a bazaar, and you're the customer.

(As for dinner, liver with fava beans, and a nice glass of chianti.)

ghostinthemachine

All SAiNT asked of us was to choose from the selection he provided and nothing more. He didn't ask us to put in our opinion on which one we personally thought was the best and the most "free".

What you say is true, and I understand your point of view. However, I would also point out that SAiNT also asked us to 'choose wisely'. Doing so means to exert wisdom. Apparently it is the wisdom of some people here that different choices would have been appreciated.

As far as your criticism that people are being "naive", frankly I''m not buying. When other sites are able to do that which people here are asking about there's nothing naive about it. It's not as if what we're asking for the impossible -- it is being done elsewhere, and therefore it seems to be a matter of choices.

However, since little of what we say seems to really effect the outcome I would really urge SAiNT and the mods to make it a closed thread next time they want a poll like this. There was a good deal of acrimony last time we had this type of poll, we're seeing it here again along with people getting banned, and SAiNT getting angry and Cataly5t getting ticked off. What's the point? None of it changes anything. Next time just don't have a thread, just have the poll that you want and leave it at that. The only thing this accomplishes is people getting ticked off with each other.

rico88

Next time just don't have a thread, just have the poll that you want and leave it at that. The only thing this accomplishes is people getting ticked off with each other.

I agree! ... but maybe the list to choose from could be a little bit more extense next time ... to encompass more voters, i mean ... and for some of all those potential voters not saying (in other threads ) that they were not taken into account.

@wazaaaap

Octopus + nice beer :)

rico88,

Much respect to what you feel and for voicing your opinion.

But I'm afraid that "naive" is the perfect word to describe the people who are taking this thread/poll to a whole other level. I'm not trying to be a jerk or going against anyone here. But SAiNT gave us a good bunch of options to choose from and granted there all ones you have to pay for, you can still choose wisely amongst the provided FSS's. At no point was anyone ever asked to choose outside of what was provided. If you fail to see that than the frustration and all other emotions that come with that mindset is all on you. In that sense, you and everyone else who's on the, "oh no......we have to shell out a few bucks for a decent service? A service that ultimately takes most, if not all, of the financial hassle of acquiring things that I normally wouldn't be able to acquire?" boat, is a little naive in my opinion. About 90% of you are acting like you don't know how things are ran and maintained at places like this. And Like you said, there are plenty of other places that will cater to the way you and others want things to role. So this must not be the only place to get the latest and not so greatest things in all of the interwebz, right? With that fact in mind, why are all of you making such a big fuss about all this? Once again peace and love, mates.

@ KbcTkb – You explained it funny!
I ask myself why wasn't SAiNT able to write such a good explanation?!

KbcTkb

Remember, this isn't a community, it's a bazaar, and you're the customer.

Sometimes I like Bazaars + flea markets!

Kookaboo,
why wasn't SAiNT able to write such a good explanation?

Wouldn't have changed much, this thread would be as long, if not more (truth hurts)!

fraggle83
Waiting implies that I am not doing my part in the interim, I am not waiting I am simply not living in the clouds. And you speak of being attached to ideas as negative but aren't you attached to the idea that you're expressing right now? I've got news from you the most open-minded person on the planet still has a fundamental value system and a way of arranging things into sense and nonsense...that requires that we make up our mind about how we feel about things. I have studied history closely and I know people really fucking well...the change you are waiting for will never happen and I'm willing to bet my life on that. I'd love to be pleasantly surprised but I prepare for reality. Many people live life like they're expecting to get another shot next time and I remind them that they don't know that. The truth is it seems just to me that we won't make it because we made our bed and now we have to lie in it. We really don't deserve another chance so it's more than fair if we don't get it.

ghostinthemachine
Frame it and put it on the front page because it's perfect.

rico88
So now SAiNT is at fault because he said choose wisely. You go to vote at the polls and you get a ballot with names on it so you choose one of the names. Nobody said vote for our primary locker...and bitch about the fact that we're not using others for days on end. Nobody is elbowing anyone out, when it happened last time with funtime (who allows mirrors) I stepped up and called Sunny out on it. Nobody thinks that the audio warez scene depends on Sunny but the reality is that Sunny uploads a hell of a lot whether you like him or not...it is what it is. And forget about other sites, that has no place in this discussion...we're not another site, we're this one. And if one day that site starts giving out free blowjobs by beautiful women we still won't care about it then. Some places have secure FTP, does that mean that we are responsible for having that too now...give me a break. And I will also point out that it was verified right on this thread that the site you guys are talking about also uses uploaded as a primary locker which is what we're voting for so I don't get how it's even being brought up. Are you yelling about it there too? No for some reason that is reserved for us. Honestly if it were my site and I could feasibly do it I would make the site private and end all this nonsense right this moment. The bottom line is everyone is willing to see everyone else's faults except their own and no amount of words will change that. That is why we are all doomed because if people on a site that gives them free software can't open up when they are so clearly in the wrong what makes fraggle think everyone in the world is going to wake up different one day?

Cloudzer is legit. Uploaded is shit in my opinion.

Catnaps

Cloudzer is legit. Uploaded is shit in my opinion.

Cloudzer and BitShare are decent too and they're both options. Of course we don't know how these sites will react once there's a big shift to them, they might start to cap it a lot lower. If you remember Uploaded had a much faster speed for free users before. I think they came under new management or something.

Cataly5t

Cloudzer and BitShare are decent too and they're both options. Of course we don't know how these sites will react once there's a big shift to them, they might start to cap it a lot lower.

As it already happened with Rapidshare, Uploaded, Rapidgator, Extabit etc...etc...etc. That's why I point to "outsiders" hosting sites. But they don't seem to be interesting for people who want to make profits with downloads.

Kookaboo

As it already happened with Rapidshare, Uploaded, Rapidgator, Extabit etc...etc...etc. That's why I point to "outsiders" hosting sites. But they don't seem to be interesting for people who want to make profits with downloads.

Yeah but you post good mirrors, I've seen you do that before. So there are some people that are pitching in to make the situation better (You, Parcell, RBolvari, SAiNT) People that found a solution. I understand not every post has the most lightning fast mirrors but we've had many that have had some options. And again most other sites use Uploaded as a primary anyway so it seems to be fitting, nothing that crazy. I actually like that we use Uploaded because I sometimes pick up other non audiowarez stuff from there and it's used on so many sites that it's become reliable for a wealth of data.

@Cataly5t
More and more, people are expected/encouraged to become premium members, even derided when they complain of the very low speeds; since the fees for these premiums serve to pay (in part) the uploaders, you then have a basis for a market: customers come meet vendors at their kiosks, it's just that they pay them indirectly.

As I said in my post, "there's nothing wrong with that"... [...edited...].

And I also added that people should be grateful that there are here uploaders who aren't in that sort of thing... [...edited...].

As for the "truth hurts" comment, what I meant was that people would complain no matter the explanation given, but even more so if it was as direct and tactless as I did.

You seem to prefer reading my post as an attack on AudioZ's admins, whereas I wrote it to be a blunt description of the realities of many similar sites which is nowadays difficult to avoid. You might not like the terms I used, but that doesn't mean I'm an enemy.

(As a parenthesis, it seems paragraphing is also a Dying Art :) )

[/edited: to reflect Cataly5t's retraction]

Cataly5t

Yeah but you post good mirrors, I've seen you do that before.

I'm aware of that: the hosts i choose are good for my (small data) uploads maybe not for heavy GB-packages. The www seems to be a bit "devilish" because the bad things are easy to find - and the good things are hard to find!

KbcTkb
Well then I misunderstood what you meant because it seemed like you were saying the truth hurts like as in the staff is not facing the truth about what's going on. The bazaar analogy made it seem like people were paying for it. Honestly I've had a previous misunderstanding in this thread because things just got out of control and that's why I said I'm done. People are going to think whatever they're going to think anyway. This is like the 2nd or 3rd day (who even knows anymore) that this battle has been raging and it's just gotten ridiculous so I'm on edge. I was doing it in the hopes that everyone would understand that we're working hard on solutions to these kinds of problems all the time and we do what we can. I'm just honestly tired of all the ill will that people have over one thing or other and I wish things could just flow more rather than there being battles raging over what amounts to minutiae. Anyway you're right you did make realistic points and I was in the wrong so I owe you an apology too. Comment removed.

Yeah I know I write a lot because it takes a lot to get people to consider a different viewpoint. You actually have to make a case for it, something like a report.

Ok.
I guess I could have been more specific about my analogies also, was trying to keep as succinct as possible!

Cataly5t

So now SAiNT is at fault because he said choose wisely.

dude, maybe you should take a valium and then try reading what I said all over again! I didn't say SAiNT was "at fault" for anything. I just pointed out that telling people to "choose wisely" implies that you want them to think about what they're doing. A number of people here, myself included, obviously did so. You may not agree with what others thought, but people here certainly did think about the situation. You could have just closed off this topic to comments, by the way....

I think I called it right when I said don't have this forum post again the next time you conduct a poll related to hosting sites. It's not helpful. For the most part, by limiting the available choices, decisions are made before voting even begins, so what's the point? Obviously there's a good deal of acrimony related to this subject that we could all do without so why even bother with this? It doesn't change a damn thing.

Lastly, there's one thing I wanted to mention because I see it cropping up quite a bit -- there's some people here that seem to think what underlies the bickering about hosts is based on people being cheap and refusing to spend money on a premium hosting site. While it's possible that may be true for some, it's certainly not true for all of us. For one, where I live, filesharing has increasingly come under fire, and I don't want to start in with a premium acct because it creates a paper trail to the downloader. None of these hosting sites are going to protect you if there's a problem, and if, for example, you need to use a credit card to pay for their service that payment leads whoever is asking right back to you. Second, I would never purchase a premium acct on a basis where I felt people had uploaded files in a manner designed to force you to purchase that premium acct. At that point you're paying for warez and I just won't do that under any circumstances. BTW, that's part of why I dislike sunny to such a degree-- manipulating uploads with the intention of trying to force you to have to purchase something. The lowest of the low!

P.S. @ Cataly5t: If you've lost interest in that site with the beautiful woman giving free blow jobs than you've got some whole other problem going down --- try this link, maybe it will be a helpful start:

http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/sex-therapy/MY01349

Rico88
We have to limit our choices somehow no or do you think we should have an infinite list? You could say the same thing about voting, you also have a limited choice there. We put up for discussion those sites that were a possibility at the moment for our primary (like everywhere else) You should actually consider the fact that we asked you at all as a sign of how we do care what you want, within the realm of what we can currently give you. Most sites don't even care to ask in the first place. It's like me inviting you to my house for dinner and you saying is meat and potatoes all you have, I really wanted fish.

You're right it is desirable to not have to have a paper trail and I have considered this myself. It doesn't seem likely that we will be prosecuted (as was seen by the MegaUpload case) but it is still a real possibility. However either way you are still being tracked by IP address but I still agree with you that it would be better the less digital trails we leave behind. When you buy an Uploaded.net account you are not paying for warez, you're paying for a locker which you just happen to be able to download files with too. Sure you don't have to pay, you can use it free but expect it will be a lot slower. You also again forget that contributors get new releases for us as well. When our members can they put up other links for you guys. Sometimes it's not possible so we make do. Nobody is forcing your hand, feel free to get your files how you want. This is something that comes with the territory of locker downloading so if that kind of thing doesn't suit you then maybe torrents are more your jam.

The blowjob bit was a joke in that there is nothing another site could be doing that is going to blow my mind so much that I just have to do it too, that's just not how I work. Also a way of saying we do what we do, other people do what they do. I think we do a great job of balancing the needs of our members and contributors. Can we do better? Sure we can always do better and we always look for ways to add something to your experience here. SAiNT is hard at work designing the new Audioz which will bring with it many cool new tweaks to the formula. Then we're getting to work upgrading AudioSex, I have some really great exciting ideas for that project too. Don't let how you feel about one facet of this spoil your experience here because for what it's worth the fact that we get to look through a catalog of software for realizing our musical vision with pictures, videos and changelogs and then download them immediately is pretty fucking cool.

Cataly5t

We have to limit our choices somehow no or do you think we should have an infinite list?

Like I tried to say, I think you probably shouldn't even bother with this business in the future. The way its constructed it can't possibly lead to any change that's substantial enough to make a difference. In fact, I'd bet if you could somehow poll all the people that voted for uploaded what you'd find is that the very large majority of them already had premium accts with uploaded and wanted to maintain that so that they didn't have to shell out for another premium acct somewhere else. In other words, all this arguing so you could wind up with the status quo.

The only way this whole poll and debate business would have served a purpose would be if there were some major change being considered (like a putlocker or a mega) and then it would probably be worth it to see what people had to say. But none of that was ever being considered, and no major changes were actually being contemplated. What makes for all the chaos here is that the powers that be at AudioZ have tried to create an illusion that change is available based on your opinion and vote when its not, and some people here would obviously really like to see some major changes. That's a volatile mix.

With the whole "paper trail" topic, I can tell you no one going back at least 10 years has my ip addy and I intend to keep it that way. But if I pay for uploaded with a credit card, and someday the authorities demand info on my account from them, you and I both know that uploaded will give it to them, and that info will include the name of every file you ever downloaded, and that there could be a mess of trouble. On the other hand, getting something at a good download speed for free on no account, means you're going to have to go through a world of complicated mess to figure out what I did or didn't download, who I am, and where I'm from. Mind you, it's not impossible but compared to the ease of tracking who you are based on a credit card number, you're making it a lot more difficult and time consuming for people to track you down. I like to keep it that way.

So for me, and I think an increasing number of people here, we argue about this stuff because we'd like to be able to stick around, when at the same time a system has developed that forces us to look elsewhere. When Sunny's desire to turn this into a personal business forces people to have to find other sites to get what they need, that's a problem. And it's not a problem that you're going to resolve that easily as long as you keep allowing someone like Sunny to control so much of how things are done at AudioZ.

rico88
Next time just don't have a thread, just have the poll that you want and leave it at that.

But then I wouldn't have this very nice ritual of catching up with 4-5 pages with my morning coffee.

KbcTkb
As for dinner, liver with fava beans, and a nice glass of chianti.

Good call, unless you're invited to Hannibal himself.

And I forgot to say this yesterday: korniceman3000A, great post kiddo. Listen to your mom, she's the one that will always have your back, no matter what.

rico88
If it were me I wouldn't have even allowed people to post comments, it would have been a poll and that's about it. That was actually my first thought when I saw it and I already knew I was in for a shitstorm. I think the poll did offer a possibility of change, it just wasn't as grand a change as many might have wanted. A lot of people seem to like BitShare and maybe that could have won, who knows. Either way this is our primary and hopefully in the future we could also get more of the good stuff as mirror links. Maybe a majority did have accounts with Uploaded already and didn't want to see their money wasted, what's wrong with that?

Concerning the paper trail you should know that all safety is merely illusion in this crazy world. In the future all that needs to be made is 1 ruling in the country you live in: force VPN's to keep logs (many already do anyway) and boom suddenly you're in the prison yard with that big light shining right on you as you're trying to make your escape. Encryption? Look at the last article I posted on AudioSex about the NSA dismantling encryption systems. I know you want to minimize that as much as possible but believe me I'm sure they know all about you especially if you live in the democracy of hypocrisy (USA).

And finally though you may be against Sunny remember that there are other people that work here and it makes for a tense atmosphere for them and those members that don't even care about this topic and are just happy to have found this place. The staff hasn't done anything wrong in my opinion so why should they get the brunt of it? I mean think about it SAiNT is sitting there right now drawing up plans, deciding on layouts and code in an effort to upgrade the site, how would you go about that if you just listened to 3 days of people complaining? I don't know about you but I wouldn't feel like my heart was in it as much, I'd probably even feel a little down. And on the subject of Sunny if he ceased to be a factor I guarantee you tomorrow they'd all be pissed. Damned if you do, damned if you don't. I think people should have a little understanding and maybe even a glimmer of patience. The whole world sucks so it'd be nice to have at least a place where there's a nice vibe and a sense of community. We certainly spend enough time here so why not spend that time with something positive? Maybe it could be our love of music rather than our hate of Sunny.

@Cataly5t
Cataly5t

Maybe a majority did have accounts with Uploaded already and didn't want to see their money wasted, what's wrong with that?

--nothing wrong with it, except for the fact that if they could suddenly use a free account that's just as fast I'm sure those people would all be quite happy to do it and save their money. BTW, that's alot of people having to spend alot of money just to appease Sunny!

Cataly5t

Concerning the paper trail you should know that all safety is merely illusion in this crazy world.

--yeh, I know that's correct, but its a question of balance. Sure, if your a terrorist and the FBI is chasing after you, most of your efforts to conceal yourself probably won't help you too much. However, if your big crime is that you've downloaded some files, more than likely no one is going to go through a big, costly, dramatic chase to trap you. Thus, more minimal security measures -- a VPN, no credit card trail, common sense -- will probably take care of it. Anyone can get caught nowadays, it's just a question of how much they would really be looking for you and how easy (or not) you've made it for them to accomplish that.

Cataly5t

The staff hasn't done anything wrong in my opinion so why should they get the brunt of it? I mean think about it SAiNT is sitting there right now drawing up plans

--yes and no. Unfortunately, Sunny is one subject where SAiNT and I have strongly disagreed. He seems to think the way he's handled things with Sunny is necessary, and I happen to look at it like its some huge mistake that winds up really hurting the site and forces people away. The fact that I see more and more people migrating to other sites to figure out how to get things downloaded, in my opinion, proves that point. I think going forward that will only get worse, as I would predict you'll see additional sites crop up that siphon the files from here or the secondary sources, and then offer better and faster free links to attract people. You see, that's really your weak point here, it opens this big door for others to steal your thunder, so to speak.

ANYWAY, I leave you with the BEST Sunny-Rico exchange EVER:

Sunny

rico88,
Now it is fashionable to be a moron? as I said I'm all Internet

rico88

Not sure of what you're trying to say Sunny, but if it was fashionable to be a moron you would probably be on the cover of Vogue.

rico88

I didn't say SAiNT was "at fault" for anything. I just pointed out that telling people to "choose wisely" implies that you want them to think about what they're doing.

But SAiNT himself pointed directly to Uploaded!

> >"UL.to is still the best for me"

What he stated on the 1st page. Well, it's a conditioned choice already! But I'm far from ranting or "splitting hair", I just give my opinion.

For some reason "quote" tag doesn't work for me so i use "code"

Cataly5t: Waiting implies that I am not doing my part in the interim
Not necessarily, you have your views and you use it until "I'm hoping to be proven wrong one day" meanwhile doing any action based on them.

Cataly5t: And you speak of being attached to ideas as negative but aren't you attached to the idea that you're expressing right now?
No, i'm just investigating with you. I don't give everything for granted because i could be wrong. But i think you'll agree with me that such a dialog is impossible when the other says "I am simply not living in the clouds", or "the change you are waiting for will never happen" closing any further inquiring. As i've told you i don't want to convince you of anything, much less justify myself if i'm living or not living in the clouds. This is not a fight, one idea against another idea.

Cataly5t: I'd love to be pleasantly surprised but I prepare for reality.
You'd love to be pleasantly surprised by who, if i may ask ?. You're always talking of others but what about you ?. What you're saying is "i will change only if i see others changing. Meanwhile allow me to prepare myself to live in a world that i think will never change (that which you labeled as "reality")". You simply have accepted that reality is this way and that it can't be another way (because you've simply been observing the world "as it is"). And with that though you give a truly existence to it and hence you attach to the thought "the change you are waiting for will never happen". But then why there are other fellow beings that think that this change it's possible ? ... Yes, yes! I know, they're are mere naive people that live in clouds not like you that you're "simply not living in the clouds". But let me say that if you think life is "that way", life will be "that way". But if you think "life is that way because that", then if you change "that", life will also change. But this change must be in you alone, not in others. But of course, you've been hurt so many times, and you don't want to be hurt again ... so, that's why you're "preparing for reality" ... hence wars and so on. Nobody wants to go deep into that "i've been hurt and i don't want to be hurt again" so that's why we put those strong walls between us and the others, between this nation and that other nation, between this religion and the other religion ... between you and me, thinking that ...

Cataly5t: we made our bed and now we have to lie in it.
Which implies a mere passive acceptance of the situation. But if you think, not so much just a little, you'll see that nobody is pushing you to live that way EXCEPT YOURSELF ALONE, who for whatever reason have accepted life is this way and can't not be another way. But then, what are you doing here trying to make others change their views ?.

I voted for Chicks, Pizza and Beer!

Some fun for lightening up the moods....
Who is this? ;=(

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