Propellerhead REASON v6.5.3 x86 x64 Alpha Patch-CHAOS

Billy Boo

I know, my comment is just a thought that will be ignored soon because these times are the sign of anti-music times.

They also said that Dylan no longer was doing folk music simply because he took an electric guitar - just because "the times they were changing" you know. We human beings always have fear of changes, that's why we start complaining about those changes with the sole argument of this is not genuine, but only a perversion of the original.

But i'll tell you that at the present i'm following some video tutorials about current music styles like Trance, Dubstep and so on, just for the simple pleasure to learn how others make that kind of music ... and you know what, they are FULL of music theory!.

I could agree with you when you say that there are some people that think they're doing music while they don't, but let me ask if i may: what is music? ... Is music what is defined in the books of Paul Hindermith, Walter Piston, Dieter de la Motte, or even Shoemberg just to name a few? ... Is music also that which is defined in a book like "Learn Music with Synths (1974)" (which by the way i recommend to people who really want to know how a synthesizer works) ... Is music what Gyorgy Ligetti or Stockhausen composed? ... Is music what they are doing in the IRCAM ? ... Because if all that is music, why a sample could not be music too ?.

I think you don't know in fact what the modern musicians are able to do with a sample this days, otherwise you wouldn't talk like you do about it. Of course that there will be always some people that will use a simple copy/paste to create things telling that it was their own ... but you also use copy/paste when using a computer, even if you use Finale, Ableton Live and so on ... and we should not forget musical influences one can have too.

In short, CREATIVITY has nothing to do with using samples or not to create genuine music, the same that a novel has nothing to do if it was written with a pen, a typewriter or a computer to be a fake. Fakes are fakes, but that should not worry you if you're a real creative musician as it seems you claim to be. You should not have any problem in using Reason, Maschine, or anyother tools including samples to help with your creativity, don't you think?

Having said that, perhaps you would like to upload some of your music for other's to listen to. I wander if you'll accept their criticism, in the same way you criticize other NOT BY THEIR MUSIC but ONLY because the tools the use to create their music ... putting all of them in the same sack.

Billy Boo

the youth of today are not attracted to playing a real instrument... they have Reason, Kontakt and all these kind of toys.

Let me ask you if i may ... What is that which you call a real instrument in fact ?. Isn't the piano with which you play let's say a flute, or a cello in Kontakt not a real instrument ?. Is it not an analog-synth panel a real instrument with all its faders and knobs ?. Is it not a MIDI controller an instrument ?.

I don't know if we realize how trapped we're in the same net our parents and the parents of our parents were when they used to say "that which you're listening is not music at all, what i listen to in my youth, that it was real music!".

Many classical musicians that are acclaimed nowadays as great musicians copied themselves (and others) lot of times, which means they used again and again the same resources to compose their music. Now, a question for you to answer if you want: What made them so great musicians then ?.

But i finish already with all that rubbish i've writen here, only allow me to say ... This world now, needs urgently open-minded people (in any area, not only in music) and not close-minded ones like all those who fear any kind of changes, otherwise we're going directly to the disaster (keep this in mind).

There is no such thing as the best DAW. Any conversation about that can only lead to the absurd. DAWs are tools and some may work better for your workflow than others. However, that doesn't mean that one is better than another but rather that one is better than another…for you. That being said Cubase is one of the most sophisticated DAWs available on the market and there is very little that it can't do. In fact I would wager that it can do a lot more than most other DAWs. Reason is also a really good DAW and I have heard things created with it that are nothing short of amazing. People make great music with Ableton, Cubase, FL Studio, Reaper, Reason and just about any other DAW on the market. It's not so much the tools as the person using them. The retards that make shitty trap beats with construction kits are more lured by their massive egos into thinking that they have real talent rather than the hype of software marketing tactics. It's more a fault of a vapid genre built for little kids who are having perpetual dick measuring contests with the world. That's why that type of music will never be timeless.

drably
I think we should support programmers that spend their precious time, for free mind you, to bring us a new software application rather than shitting on all their hard work. You don't like Reason then you don't have to use it. I can guarantee you that I've heard people make better music with Reason than most will ever make in their lifetime. Why don't you upload a track made in your DAW and we'll compare it to theirs made in Reason? I guarantee you that you'll feel pretty stupid.

nuro7177
Well now there's one more. Want to take a guess who that is? Who the hell are you coming in here and talking to a member like that? Fraggle83's reply definitely didn't warrant that kind of response. Nobody is here to hold your hand and massage your ego sunshine. I would say that there's more annoying lazy big-mouthed noobs coming through here thinking that this is a personalized help desk for things that they could easily find out on their own than asshole members on this site. If you don't like it there's the door. Go to another site and see how much better your experience there will be.

Billy Boo, masterJ
I think that's a pretty close-minded view of music. Music evolves just like everything else and to have an elitist attitude like that is ridiculous. There are plenty of things that computer musicians with no ability to play an instrument learn that old-school musicians would have problems accomplishing such as mastery of different kinds of synthesis for example (Additive, FM, Subtractive, Wavetable, etc.). Where you might excel in the physical act, they might excel in other areas of production. Also most still learn music theory, composition, the nuances of rhythm, melody, harmony, etc. It takes many years to become proficient with an instrument so why should people be robbed of the ability to express themselves simply because they still have not achieved mastery? There are PLENTY of soulful recordings made by people who couldn't play a piano if their life depended on it. Just because you don't think so doesn't really mean anything. Also I would like to point out that in order to compose for various forces such as guitar, piano, strings, etc. one needs to actually study the instrument and how it is played. Nobody is picking up a serious guitar plug-in and making any kind of realistic performance with it if they haven't put effort into achieving that. Personally I am learning to play the piano but even before I took up that endeavor I put a crapload of work into studying and experimenting with both theory and production. I didn't just open a DAW and start stamping in notes and suddenly I was making amazing music with ease. It was actually really difficult for me and it still is to this day. Don't trivialize other peoples struggles just because you look down your nose at those that use an MPC to play a drum sound rather than hitting an actual drum. We don't all have the equipment, money, space and time required to learn every instrument that we want to include in a track. How you can compare Guitar Hero with that is beyond me so I'm not even going to go into the million ways that this is a ridiculous analogy. It only serves to reveal your irrational bias towards other musicians and your argument doesn't have a leg to stand on.

Cataly5t

For your info i have been on the site for two years ...i was here before they changed the site and and before audio sex...but my password got lost during the change ...i don't owe you the website police and explanation...i can say what ever i want ...you come at me ignorant and you get talked to ignorant...i don't remember asking anyone anything on here fool...that fraggle guy made his duty to insult me so i a insulted back ...get you fact straight asshole...

the comment he insulted was deleted...because it does help anyone fix their issues..unlike that mindless page of garbage you just spewed out...take out the trash

nuro7177

that fraggle guy made his duty to insult me so i a insulted back

This fraggle guy says that neither i insulted you nor i took your answer back like an insult. So, you've taken the wrong person to do this. But sure you'll find others here to carry out your intentions. Have a nice day, mate.

fraggle83

I apologize bro ..if i insulted you ...I meant no harm..i was talking to Cataly5t ..not you ...

I don't care if you were here since the beginning of time. That doesn't give you the right to come out of your mouth at him like that. How did he insult you by making a little joke about checking the Readme? Nowhere do I see him resorting to calling you an asshole or a douchebag or anything of that sort. He was just playfully busting your balls with no malicious intent. Not that we should need them but we have rules here that we respect other members. If you have a problem with that then maybe you should talk to SAiNT.

"Any fool can criticize, condemn and complain - and most fools do. But it takes character and self control to be understanding and forgiving."
-Dale Carnegie

peace and love ........ and much warez ..... and beer ... and jamon de pata negra, ole ole ole

Gracias!!, Grande!!, Sr. Caos!!.

Cataly5t:

Let that man deal with his own battles ...he does not need a babysitter....the nerve

and by the way who the hell are you

andy

peace and love ........ and much warez

agree!


nuro7177

and by the way who the hell are you

"I am he as you are he as you are me and we are all together!"
The Beatles, "I'm the Walrus"

fraggle83

I apologize bro ..if i insulted you ...I meant no harm..i was talking to Cataly5t ..not you ...

That's cool of you to apologize but I don't exactly understand how suddenly I am the bad guy here. I just thought it was rude of you to talk to him like that because it was totally unwarranted so I said something. I find it ridiculous that you called somebody an asshole over some nonsense and you think I have nerve because I called you out on it. Do you see the irony here?

Cataly5t:


If you read my statement it was no directed toward fraggle83 ...i was speaking in general to people who have no info to offer ...all they do is bash the hack team and up-loaders..and ...and fraggle83 ,,himself said he was no offended...what is your argument now ...

quiet friend here are all bad, I want more warez

the program does not matter, what matters is having to create and interpret art .........

Tomtom stands in his new hugey application warehouse with wine in glass and smoke !!~~~~~~~~

why so much fight?

guys drink some wine look to use put all energy's into using release

enjoy from best men CHAOS & Horseman

nuro7177
My argument is that there are different ways of ultimately saying the same thing. If we all start letting the expletives fly this place will become utter chaos in no time. I read stuff all the time that makes me want to bitch-slap someone into the pavement yet I let my rhetoric do the talking. This is a community after all. Let's just let it be and move on.

Cataly5t:

agreed

Yo whattup, how can I make some DrakeZ style beats with Reazon?
gangsta gangsta.

need them trap beats y0
how do I install this on OSX???
what is exe?
OMG OMG OMG WHERE I CAN FIND CUBAZE NEXXORZ AND PROWTEWLZ??1!!!!




//end fail

not everyone can afford an instrument, and a song consist of several of them. so wise guy, what about the musician that only owns one, should they go look for a band to make a beat? music is made by the times we live in, and the preset is always evil by the previous generation.

let the programs be, and for those who biatchin about a few war of words, if jesus brought a sword, why do u want to take it upon yourself to bring peace?

Idk why all the fight between which DAW is better lol each daw out there is unique with what theyre capable of doing so why not try it out rewire with whatever other daw being used and have fun :) and as for samples vs playing real instruments well it doesnt matter EVERYTHING is a sample u want to be completely original where no one never heard that new "sound" well come up with your own intrument

drably

how do I install this on OSX???

If you're not joking, as it seems it is a crazy night tonight , read the post i've made a couple of pages above about me using a Parallels 7 Virtual Machine to run this on Mac. If you're joking, then ...

Time to go sleep already (03:10 at night here).
nuro7177 and Cataly5t, nice you finally agreed one each other!
I love you both, guys!
Good night!

The Crack although not 100% is still usable... Ie you can export audio files and then drop em in your DAW and build off of that. how much will i use this i dont know but still nice to have and see how it or if it progresses.


and Cubase is NOT 7 to 10 years behind current DAW's its just a different way to record... everything else out there to me is aimed at DJ's & remixers NOT Musicians... Musicians have a Choice its either Protools...logic or Cubase end of list

ez

too bad chaos was too late. Reason 7 is already out.

meyk

let the programs be, and for those who biatchin about a few war of words, if jesus brought a sword, why do u want to take it upon yourself to bring peace?

Jesus was just some guy so it is largely irrelevant what he might have brought. I certainly don't look to him as any sort of authority. However, since you brought it up I'll explain it to you. In religious texts the sword was a metaphor for division not violence. In fact he stated: "for all who draw the sword will die by the sword." It actually sickens me that I know that. I already explained it when I stated that if everyone starts letting expletives fly then this ceases to be a community and then there is utter chaos. This completely defeats the purpose of this site. Therefore, it is in all our best interest to work together or at the very least be decent to each other. Not to mention it is the first of the few rules we have here is it not?

fraggle83

then ... rofl

this.

fraggle83

nuro7177and Cataly5t, nice you finally agreed one each other!
I love you both, guys!
Good night!

Next we tackle world peace.
Have yourself a good night.

Billy Boo,

Here where I live many music schools and conservatories are closing because the youth of today are not attracted to playing a real instrument... they have Reason, Kontakt and all these kind of toys.
But the truth is: their music is non-music, it's cold as ice, it's plastic, it's without soul.
This is my opinion and here many guys have a different point of view about it ( I know that, I know the era in which I live ).
I don't try to change anyone's mind, I just say a lot of music today is built, not played...and this can't be contradicted in any way ( hope you know what really it means play )!

Well said you nailed it!!
Still those people arguing over your statement??..
To those people i can only say!!
Can call your self creative or whatever you like..
But as long as you use samples loops and 4/4 beat nailed to the grid with robotic "feel" the music is gonna be non-music and plastic and without soul..
So if you want to make music that is NOT all that..
Hire in some real musicians to play along your 4/4 beat why not a drummer? you can always quantizing it later if you not satisfied..
So "maybe" ok well most likely it is not so plastic and without soul any more!!
Why do you think there is NON of those recording that will survive in the charts for more than a month or so?
Why do you think albums that Elvis and other Rock N Roll artist made in the 50th Beatles and Rolling Stones in the 60th Led Zeppelin and Pink Floyd made in the 70th and Metallica Giuns N Roses made in the 80 th still sell very good today?
And it is not only those BIG guys that sell well many not so big guys is still selling records that todays youth listen to instead of "that months number one dance hit which they forget as soon as they have left the dancefloor"

Guitarmaniac64,
Id tell em to atleast learn piano, i know alot of them samplers use keys, but really learn piano or guitar

fraggle83

Have A Great Night

You guys stating that musicians have to learn at least one instrument and/or music theory
are looking over one important aspect:
The artist's knowledge doesn't matter as long as the music is good. If you hear a track,
which you think is amazing, why on earth do you think it matters how it was made and what
instruments can the artist play? It doesn't change the quality of the music one bit.
The same goes for videoclips under the music, the name of the track and the name of the
artist. These things are irrelevant when evaluating the quality of the music. Yet, some
people think it matters. Here are 2 examples to demonstrate my point:

Example 1:
Let's say I love this new dubstep/electro track that has just been released on beatport.
Later I figure out that it was made by a 16 year old boy living in a 2nd world country,
who pirated all the tools for his music, and used famous sample packs, and doesn't have
any knowledge on music theory, but he experimented with different melodies until it
sounded right. He copied some ideas from other famous producers and made his own version
from scratch. Then he started to collab with another person, who gave him some great
ideas, and helped him finish up the project and release it.
Sounds a little bit disappointing, right? But still, here are 2 facts about this imaginary
situation:
- The track is being played all over the world, it is so catchy.
- It is NOT a remix or mashup.
So in this case, it has much better quality then most of today's "music" I think.


Example 2:
Average Joe is working hard to learn a few instruments. He can already play the guitar
pretty well, however he could play a little bit faster. He started learning the piano,
because why not. Oh, and I forgot to say, his parents are rich and willing to buy
everything Joe asks for. Last week, he got a new drum kit, because he started to get bored
with the sound of the previous one. He doesn't know how to mix, use effects properly, and
master a track. He made lots and lots of half finished projects. But he came up with a
great artist name!!!!! He also named his half finished "songs" very creatively!!!!! Did I
mention he is pretty good at making melodies? But unfortunately, to this day, he couldn't
create a song from start to finish. But...but...He uses Pro Tools!!!!! Why isn't he a pro?
He also has 2 analog synths in the basement and some compressors both analog and software.
Of course it's not pirated, why would he STEAL software? That's illegal, and obviously
FUCKS UP YOUR COMPUTER WITH VIRUSESSSSSSSSS!!!!!

From now on, Joe is practising golf, and wants to be a professional champion at it. He got
bored of this music thing. He now thinks all music is crap...

Guitarmaniac64

Why do you think albums that Elvis and other Rock N Roll artist made in the 50th Beatles and Rolling Stones in the 60th Led Zeppelin and Pink Floyd made in the 70th and Metallica Giuns N Roses made in the 80 th still sell very good today?

Maybe you're too old for modern music.

But on the other hand, have you ever heard of Kraftwerk? Maybe not, because by your definition it's not real music.

Cataly5t,
Cataly5t

Jesus was just some guy

can you and ( his story ) prove that?

we are men with egos, and it should not be suppress, as you do yours, when ever you want to bitch slap, you act like mother Teresa, thats not natural, thats a woman's way.

i bet you read this and still dont understand what am saying?

wither its non singers with autotune or non musician with DAW's people still like and buy so whats the problem?

the new studio now is ipad, with alesis making IO Doc, you can use the best mikes available.
and that means some computer makers will go out of business, thats life and progression of technology.