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Bechstein Digital C. Bechstein Digital Grand v1.1.0 KONTAKT screenshot
KONTAKT | 22.35 GB
Happy Birthday C. Bechstein Digital Grand – a year ago, we introduced our first grand piano for Mac & PC with the Digital Grand. The sample library for Native Instruments´ KONTAKT serves as a reference as regards sound quality and richness in detail.

With Version 1.1, a first and comprehensive update for the C. Bechstein Digital Grand will be available from today. In addition to a general increase in performance, the update also provides a series of innovations and optimisations. Thus, the scope of the string resonances was extended and the threshold value for continuously working MIDI sustain pedals can now be set individually. Additionally, new snapshots are provided and multi-instruments used for the first time: in which several microphone signals are phase-aligned and can be mixed by the user as desired.

You can find all the details in our Release Notes here:

Fixed:

The automation in ABLETON LIVE no longer regulates all parameters simultaneously (referred to host automation ID #511).
The parameter CHARACTER is now displayed consistently with the graphical user interface in the displays for the Native Instruments KOMPLETE keyboards.
An error which hindered that the pedal functions “Sustain volume” and “Una corda intensity” could not be automated with individual controller numbers was rectified.
When playing with sympathetic overtones turned ON, some voices were not like the acoustic role model – this was rectified and the behaviour optimised (see below).

News and optimisation:

Several features were optimised, considerably reducing the number of voices actually required (polyphony). This means that the DIGITAL GRAND now runs on several computers without disturbing dropouts and with a lower CPU load.
A new snapshot, START HERE, which includes several resource saving basic settings, was added.
The pre-set maximum number of voices available was reduced, taking several PC systems into account. You can easily adjust this setting to the actual performance capability of your PC yourself (see Digital Grand manual page 24).
The volume of the key noises, dampers and pedals was slightly reduced in all snapshots.
The keyboard range which generates sympathetic overtones when playing was extended.
The threshold value for sustain pedals which can provide continuous data (“half pedal”) on CC#64 can now be adapted using a slider.
The threshold value described above is now set more tolerant, enabling the foot to rest lightly on the pedal whilst playing without increasing the voice burden.
A multi (Power Piano.nkm) was added, which demonstrates the options of the combination of all three microphone signals – Player, Side and Top. Moreover, snapshots with sensible presets for such tonal layers were stored in the Snapshots’ “Utilities” folder.
The manual was updated and also incorporates an installation description of the new Native Instruments “Native Access” tool.


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  Resident 30.12.2017 1 1739
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Thank you very much. I was wondering if someone would release the updated version. Cool stuff!
  Member 31.01.2015 13 227
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Gourgeous piano!
Can we have only updated files? So we don't re-download all 22 GB
  Resident 4.07.2015 344
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Yes that would be great1 and THANKS!
  Resident 1.10.2013 4662 9005
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Finally this can beat Nexus 2mb piano!
  Resident 21.04.2014 1585
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An excellent piano, have a well done repetition mechanism response, for those who like a dry strong bright sound, some find perfect for the Baroque, although Bach, Scarlatti barely have known our western piano-forte.
Did you know that it was a German who naturalized French 'Sébastien Érard' who developed the individual damper system to stop the vibration of each key of the piano strings, so that the pianist could play repeated notes, his system used in all piano today is known as the 'double escapement action', which allowed a note to be repeated many times even if the key had not risen to it's natural position.
  Member 12.09.2016 94
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First I was like "oh no not another piano" but then I heard the demo and I was like "oh no not another piano that I want to download"

Sounds great, thanks for the share
  Resident 7.11.2008 9 439
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Is this better than Ivory 1.6?
Without faith nothing is possible. With it, nothing is impossible.
  Resident 9.12.2010 78 505
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Thanks for sharing to both PiRAT and the supplier!

Just one question, can I delete the previous release or I need to keep both?
I'm the master of my fate, the captain of my soul. (W. E. Henley)
  Member 5.10.2015 86
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thank you so much! ... I can not wait to try this piano
  Member 28.01.2018 1 602
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Unless you're playing Classical music and at a world-class concert pianist's level, 22 GB is simply overkill for a piano. And I guarantee that I'm a better piano player than at LEAST 80% of the members here. That said, I already have a huge piano library in Imperfect Samples Fazioli Ebony Concert Grand Complete Edition at 29.8 GB! It sounds AMAZING when I'm playing Schubert's Impromptu in G Flat Op. 90 No. 3. and other songs like that. I'm not a Classical pianist per se, but I have learned a few Classical songs over the years that I especially love.

My question is if this Bechstein sounds and plays as good as the Fazioli I already have?
Learn how to make tight, radio-ready mixes with the STOCK plugins in your DAW. After that, THEN you can horde out!
  Resident 17.02.2009 921
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Imperfect Samples Fazioli Ebony is a great sounding piano esp the bottom end.

This piano is a different tone, just tried it playing flight of the bumblebee it sits nice on fast passages.

Might be handy to add to your arsenal
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  Member 28.01.2018 1 602
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Thanks, The-RoBot. I was afraid of that!! HaHa!! My BluRay burner is acting up, so I gotta buy a DVD/BluRay player cleaner today so I can liberate some space for this beast. Is the Beckstein tone darker or brighter than the Fazioli?
Learn how to make tight, radio-ready mixes with the STOCK plugins in your DAW. After that, THEN you can horde out!
  Resident 21.04.2014 1585
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quote by AesopMy question is if this Bechstein sounds and plays as good as the Fazioli I already have?

Will sound piano, but different. Chopin loved Pleyel pianos, but if he lived today, would hate it.
Steinway & Sons, Bösendorfer, Blütner, Yamaha or Faziolli?
Once in a large studio near Canada, a musician asked me what I thought about the Canadian pianist Angela Hewitt that just record on Faziolli pianos, I was curious, so he played that CD and soon played the first baroque track of 'Rameau Allemand in E Minor', in this studio, had both grands Steinway and a Bösendorfer, he went to the piano and played the same Rameau's piece on both pianos and none had the same timbre.
  Resident 20.11.2013 141
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  Member 28.01.2018 1 602
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  Member 31.01.2015 13 227
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Ha ha ha!!! Yes we will have our contest!
Please to meet you Aesop: I'm 54 years old pianist, graduated at Conservatory, Teacher, Concert Artist, Composer (a little bit...) and sometimes... a curious child!
So I want to try all virtual pianos. I had a Bechstein 210 cm. (a real 1900 Bechstein) but... I had to sell it. sob! So when I saw this Digital, I was happy!
Souds good, but i prefer N.I "The Grandeur" for his playability and versatility. And at the end, my real "Apollo" upright is better of all hihihi. My loved piano: I prepared all the conservatory exams with him.
This updated Bechstein is a little bit light for PC and this is ok for me.
The sound is a little woody but pleasant. I like it but I would not record a CD with it!
Cheers
  Member 28.01.2018 1 602
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Souds good, but i prefer N.I "The Grandeur" for his playability and versatility.


Thank you Oltre for your response. I too have "The Grandeur" and at 5GB, it's a lot easier on my "sound library" SSD than 22GB.

I also am a "curious child" sometimes and I am very pleased to meet you, my friend!!
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  Resident 20.11.2013 141
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  Member 5.06.2013 3 199
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Lol! We should come out every once in a while... or this happens!
“We are each our own devil, and we make this world our hell”
  Member 28.01.2018 1 602
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Ahhhhhhhhh. So THAT'S what the triangles mean, huh?! LOL!! Well, you're quite welcome to "come out" if you feel the need. I'll accept you just the same when you do, but I'm just fine as I am and I'll stick to being the "non-progressive" heterosexual in the group, thank you very much. But I'll pass on your idea of a "group coming out party" to my "PRIDE-ful" friends. HaHa!!
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  Resident 25.01.2012 3303
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I think it would be easier to list the worst pianos and just start deleting those and keeping the best. For the non piano players here that appreciate the sound of these top grands it would actually be a big help and free up some valuable space.
  Member 28.01.2018 1 602
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I agree, grdh20xgman. Being pianists/keyboardists, we tend to grab every piano that's released and quickly end up with more than we need. I use NI's "The Giant" and then the Chocolate Audio "88 series" pianos the most for production and the Fazioli mostly for performance. I should probably throw the rest of them away. But not today because..........I'M A SLAVE TO MATERIALISM LIKE ALL AMERICANS!!! HaHa!!!
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  Resident 11.01.2011 133
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  Resident 12.01.2014 1 99
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Interesting, and hard to resist to write an answer. Piano is one of my favorite topic. It's funny how much it can be subjective to appreciate a sampled piano in terms of realism and playability. I bought/tried many of them and I was disappointed with the majority. Most of them got a weird or thin timbre in the low, medium, high (sounds OK more often) or even worst the full register. Some of them sounds good but got some problems with the envelope resonance (latest 8dio passionate). Sometimes, the sounds looks Ok, but you will find some weird freqs on one sample. Imperfect Samples ones (Fazioli and Steinway), because they were mentioned above, are great if you need to put a particular ambience in a score, but will never do the job of providing a solid and balanced piano sound for a performance. Native Instruments ones can do the trick to be used as these hyped `cinematic pianos` drowned into spacey long reverb, but that's not what you would expect daily from a consistent piano sound. Now, to get back to the topic, I played and tweaked the Bechstein during half an hour, and I put it in the trashbin. I will never use a piano like that in any recording. I really dislike the body of the sound. It reminds me some old period of piano sampling.
  Member 28.01.2018 1 602
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Great analysis, petepx! Now that's what I call a thorough review. You hit all of the potential issues we encounter when using these software pianos and in doing so, created some solid objective criteria for us to use when judging them. Nice job!!
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  Resident 25.01.2012 3303
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Curious which ones that you would use in your recordings then?
  Resident 12.01.2014 1 99
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Before answering your question, just a quick note on something I keep in mind when I'm using sampled pianos: Virtual pianos are different instruments, far away from real ones, in terms of sound, touch, nuance, personality, emotion feedback... Sampling is fine to reproduce recorded sounds, such a nice invention, but not the right answer (yet) to simulate realtime acoustic performance. Btw, virtual pianos offer other great advantages: Price (oh yes...), no recording process needed (record an acoustic piano can be so tricky), midi editing flexibility, and prevent you to be killed by your neighbors. XD
About the sampled pianos I'm using, as you can imagine, it changed a lot from time to time. Till last year, I tend to play most of the time with Ivory. I like the American Concert D, because it's well balanced, except a bump around 1k that you can manage easily with dyn EQ.
Now, I got some special tricks, and lot of patches based on them that I made to get pleasant imitations of a lively rounded acoustic sound. Here are some of them (maybe it can inspire someone, who knows)
- I mix my main piano sound (Ivory American Concert D is my favorite, but I use other ones) with Spitfire HZ piano harmonics to get kinda overtones. Brings life!
- I use the noises of the Steinway Imperfect Samples (in rarely mode) mixed in the background as well. These random key noises spice the performance.
- Unusual trick, but it works so well: I use Spitfire Olafur Felt in the background (just the raw sound, not the rev channel) when I want to add rounded colors in the low and some shininess in the high.
- As I told before I use Oxford DynEQ as corrective EQ. Dynamic EQs are pianos best friends.
- I use tape saturation (ATR-102).
- I use Fairchild comp in very relaxed mode for the colour (transformers) and to tame high dynamics. Best comp for pianos imho.
- I use Helios69 EQ till a short time. Not bad, should try more...
- And I can have 1 (acoustic space) or 2 (lush) reverbs high-passed and colored with decapitator to cut through the mix.
  Resident 25.01.2012 3303
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Thanks. You have obviously put a lot of time and thought in to this. That is nice to see.
  Member 28.01.2018 1 602
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Wow! I do some similar tweaking to achieve better results too, but you have given me some MORE ideas. I also agree about the Fairchild compressor being one of the best types of compression for the piano. What's your favorite version of the Fairchild comp? I only have the Waves version. I never tried Ivory's pianos because I had so many already, but I'm gonna have to check them out now since you've endorsed them. Thank you.
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