Poll: Magazines Not Related to Professional Audio

Quite frankly I'm not just a moderator because what I do here goes far beyond just moderation duties, that's why I have the highest rights in the system next to SAiNT. I'm not influencing anything I just said how it is and nothing that I expressed wasn't the truth. Nowhere in my statement did I even give an opinion about the topic at hand.

PS I don't even read the magazines being discussed so I have no vested interest in this poll, I simply wouldn't remove them because some people enjoy them and I wouldn't want to take that away from them simply because I don't.

"Nowhere in my statement did I even give an opinion about the topic at hand."

You've repeatedly stated that you're in favor of "yes" (that's more than just an opinion, you're clearly trying to push everyone to vote your way) and that those magazines should stay. If you think it's the "truth", then why are we voting? You clearly have already decided the outcome, no matter how people vote.

"I simply wouldn't remove them because some people enjoy them"

OK, so you're confirming that the vote is useless because you've already decided what to do. That was my point. Sounds to me like North Korean-style elections.

Like I said, not really important, but I do feel like this was a complete exercise in futility. This is your site, you can do whatever you want with it (yes, you're the "master" and you have all the rights, as you clearly stated), but when you ask people to vote and then candidly admit that their vote is totally irrelevant --because you've already decided what to do-- your credibility definitely takes a hit.

P.S. Yes, of course you can kick me out just for voicing an opinion you don't like. Your site, your prerogative. But how silly would it look to the readers if you called a vote over that and then ignored it, in case most members decided I should stay?

I'm not even going to respond because I have neither the time, nor the energy, nor the desire. It's the same boring rants that we get from people accusing us of censorship because we have moderation. A little early to be hearing that kind of thing considering when did you join again? 1 month ago was it? Apply some of that to places where it can actually do some good. YAWN

It's not a "rant", what I said is factual. You called for a vote and then you're ignoring the outcome because you think you're the holder of the "truth" (your word, not mine) and you have all the "rights" to do whatever you want. My question was simply why having a vote if it doesn't count? I can see why you can't answer this question without contradicting yourself and you can only resort to insulting me. Of course, the fact that I'm new here doesn't give me the right to an opinion. Yeah, that totally makes sense, from your perspective. Which incidentally sounds eerily similar to that of a schoolyard bully toward freshmen.

BTW, moderation has a set of rules and comments should be moderated if they don't abide by those rules (typically banning foul language, racism etc.) Removing posts because they challenge you or offer a different opinion, that's censorship. Again, this is a private site and you can censor anyone you want. Claiming to be fair by doing that, however, is simply losing credibility.

I can answer it but it's simply not worth my time. That is all.

Standard lame excuse. Just like your using aliases to neg my comments and make them disappear. I bet you think you're clever...

Like I said, it's your site, do whatever you want, but you have totally lost any shred of credibility with your shenanigans.

I don't have any aliases because I don't need to hide. That's another person that doesn't want to hear this nonsense of which exactly none of it is even remotely factual. It's simply your truth which is really no truth at all.

It's not "nonsense", it's factual. You called for a vote and then openly stated that the vote is irrelevant. Now THAT is nonsense.

You can insult me, bully me, kick me out, do whatever you want, but it's not going to change that FACT.

And yet again you're only seeing what you want to see which is not what I said. In fact that's why I don't want to continue this conversation, I think you could finish it for me since you already know it all. Let me know how it turns out.

Oh yeah, I'll finish it alright, if you let me.

"not what I said"

This is what you said, verbatim:

"I simply wouldn't remove them because some people enjoy them"

Which means that the vote is just a waste of everybody's time. Why not just say it from the start that you're in charge and everyone else can just go pound sand? It would have been totally OK with me, but I don't like to be fooled. Neither does anybody else who voted "no", I'm pretty sure of that. And, like I said, this is just a matter of *PRINCIPLE.* The results of this vote certainly aren't going to change anybody's life.

Oh so you mean you're taking something I said out of context, making a ton of ridiculous assumptions about it and then getting mad over your own misunderstanding. Got ya.

Let me finish it with some actual truth and even this is only a small subset of what I actually said (and meant) in this thread:

PS I don't even read the magazines being discussed so I have no vested interest in this poll, I simply wouldn't remove them because some people enjoy them and I wouldn't want to take that away from them simply because I don't.

So you read that comment and came to the conclusion that
A) We have nothing better to do so we would make a poll even though we had already made a decision about how we were going to proceed.

B) That my opinion is the only one of the staff's that matter.

C) That I meant it literally and wasn't just theoretically saying what I would do if it were up to me just like everyone else said what they would do if it were up to them. That's why I used the word wouldn't instead of won't. Everyone else caught it...except you. Why? Because you're obviously playing out some rebellious drama whether it be against these magazines, the system or whatever and it has clouded your judgement making you see things that aren't even there. I call it the rebel without a clue syndrome and I actually mean no disrespect with that comment but it is descriptive of this scenario. You assumed, then took your interpretation as fact and got all angry and rebellious over your own misunderstanding.

Now do you want to know how this poll came about? It was because I noticed a comment by Juan P that he was sending magazines by PM because they are no longer allowed on AudioZ. I hadn't heard about this change so I messaged SAiNT and we had a staff meeting and came to the decision that we would let you guys decide. So the reason the poll is even here in the first place is because of me. Now that is truth.

"So the reason the poll is even here in the first place is because of me. Now that is truth."

The truth is that you repeatedly stated that you've already made your decision and that the vote is irrelevant. You thought the vote was going your way, even claimed that "the community has ruled" when "yes" was only up by a couple of votes (now that's some pretty hilarious detachment from reality.) In other words, you hoped everybody would vote yes, and when it went the other way, you started claiming that the vote is irrelevant because you've already decided what to do. Since you're the holder of the "truth" (your own words) and you have all the "rights" to do whatever you want (which, like I said, you certainly do. Just don't try to fool anyone into believing they have a voice if they disagree with you.)

That's not a misunderstanding. First you bully me telling that I have no right to an opinion because I'm new and now you're trying to paint me as an angry and crazy person (which I'm not, but, unlike you, I'm FAIR.) Believe me, I couldn't care less about the vote, just pointing out the obvious.

"Everyone else caught it...except you. Why?"

Again, I only see YOU here, not "everyone." You have some pretty obvious issues with reality.

"we had a staff meeting and came to the decision that we would let you guys decide"

Yeah, but only if the vote was going your way. Since it didn't, then you claimed the right to do whatever you want, no matter what the community says. You can keep insulting me all you want, but that's really uncool.

Oh, and BTW, I did not even comment on your P.S. Now that's a funny strawman.

Okay this conversation is officially over. I have absolutely no respect for man that can't admit that he's wrong even when faced with the truth. Go play that broken somewhere else.

You called for a vote and then you claimed that the vote is invalid if "no" wins because this is your site and you can do whatever you want.

Your words:

"I simply wouldn't remove them because some people enjoy them"

That's the TRUTH that everyone can see.

So why the charade? Why are we voting if you've already decided that "no" would NEVER be an option?

I have no respect for cyber-tyrants and bullies.

Tyrant. but you're not playing out any rebellious drama right? The next comment of this sort and I'm disabling your posting ability for a few days until you cool off because I've honestly had it. I've entertained this for long enough, wasted my time explaining all the details you didn't know to help you understand that you misunderstood what I meant and that you made a ton of assumptions. If this is too much of a tyranny for you then perhaps you'd be better served elsewhere.

"I'm disabling your posting ability"

Yes, that would TOTALLY prove that you're *NOT* a tyrant who can't stand being challenged and a cyber-bully. ABSOLUTELY!! ROFLMAO!!

Thank you for proving my point. You can do whatever you want, it's your site. Just don't pretend anyone who disagrees with you has a say here.

Well it's a good thing that I don't have to answer to you about my decisions. I've disabled your posting ability for 1.5 days. The rest of us can have a break from the noise for the rest of the weekend. And i warned you that this would happen so you only have yourself to blame.

quote by CatalystI simply wouldn't remove them because some people enjoy them

sisko, you simply misunderstood Catalyst's message. stop this pointless conversation before it will be too late