U-he Plugins Pack 3.5.2013 by R2R

Is Zebra working or not?

andros1983

Is Zebra working or not? dunno

As we expected, they coded more to the protection. When you modify ±
± the certain section, plugin will be registered to "ASSIGN11". Looks ±
± nice one to disgrace crackers :) ±
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± Also you should know that the serials by DOA is already banned and ±
± it causes the well known timebomb after a while. You should remove ±
± the old registration before you install this. ±
± ±
± We hope we did it right!

We all hope, too.

Seriously, this question cannot be answered after a short period of time - time bomb is the key to the answer.

Of course, if you open it, noodle around for five minutes, then yes, it works.

Timebomb after 10 min. Black spot

Thank you for this great share:)

Thank you R2R, and RBolvari for Zippyshare links and alternative versions of Zebra.

I hope at least Diva and ACE will work for me as I use these... LOL If not, I'll use the older version.

LOL @ StupidifidMonkey, so true!

Cheers!

So i will revert Zebra back to version 2.5.4 and also the other plugins. This release is to0 buggy for me; black holes on Zebra and crashing Filterscapes.

HI everybody!

Not appears. Dll file in the folder I vst U-Dive or MFM2

appears on the other side or what happens?

Thnx to RBollivari and Parcell for the fast hosterlinks.

there seems to be a lot of problem on this release I better pass then

dokx1,

ZebraHZ came out after the DoA serial, so how can you be sure that it's not internally blacklisted?

Just try it, I installed Zebra then ZebraHZ with the same serial and up to now no single problem ...

trz303

Just try it, I installed Zebra then ZebraHZ with the same serial and up to now no single problem ...

Already did that on first appearance, firewalled everything, but I have not used it in a big project since. Time will tell...

Change pluginsize and revert back. Then you will see the 'black hole sun' ^^

"Also you should know that the serials by DOA is already banned and it causes the well known timebomb after a while."

MR. Urs Heckmann is a paranoid developer. He thinks he's smart by trying to fool n00bs but not skilled crackers. Everybody with the required skills can trace his additional modifications in the code. It's just a matter of will power & time!

trz303,
Our software does not phone home - we do display links to our homepage though, but it needs a click by the user.

If something goes wrong, it isn't the internet connection - we do not do spy/malware.

Studio 555,
We didn't think of that. oops.

We implement different "visuals" for different time bombs so that we can trace whatever layer of protection wasn't found by the crackers.

R2R have been quite lucky in manouvering around those. Our revenues have fallen by 20% since their December crack and we had to let one employee go. But we would never go as far as to say "kiss my ass" - to the contrary, we're happy to invite you in. The black spot is there to make you curious and click it. Some of those who click the spot also buy - maybe enough to bring that employee back.

(note to myself: make next spot green or something)

Lord Gaga,
We actually share our copy protection method with every company who asks, for free. More than 80 companies have deployed our timebomb strategy and the idea that "inviting" warez users might actually create a sale. It turns piracy into a marketing instrument. That's the modern way of protectionism.

Cheers,

- Urs

u-he,
Well, that's a surprise; Welcome. It would be funny to have a few developers here that aren't just bashing on us, but also talking in a more friendly manner. Some of us know exactly what we do, what the consequences are.
Maybe you could stay here for a bit; Some developers have gotten more customers by being nice to people here.

As for the black hole, shouldn't there be a white hole after? It might make the virtual simulation a bit more stable

Truth be told, your copy protection methods are way more welcome than dongles for various reasons (ease of reverse engineering not being one of them, yours are more painful; there are solutions to all dongles... behind the scenes, far from anyone here). Wasting less time by implementing time-bombs and more exotic methods instead of burdening the developers and the users with dongles is way more appreciated by the user. Your customers may not say it often, but a look at support forums for dongles makes yours seem much more enjoyable.

@Urs

Since in my opinion you and also Lennard are making very well Products and deserved to get some customers and not only leechers.


I still dont get it, why YOU make it so easy to the crackers, even to touch any of your code.
Do you have heard something about Software protectors, which makes it very hard or (almost) impossible to unpack and patch your code.


Just use the newest Version of VMProtect or maybe Safengine Protector. Combine that with maybe a dozen of "delayed" CRC checks and your own protection and believe me, that you have no cracks for the next years.

Until maybe one of the most experienced crackers try to touch your code. But dont worry, those guys usually only works for money :)

tomahak,

Because things like VMProtect and Safengine protector will slow down the software's performance and add many more bugs and headaches for the developers and users. At this point, it would be simpler to implement both e-licenser and codemeter

Also, once people learn to unpack these protections (VMProtect and Safengine have already been and keep getting cracked) you're essentially screwed until you find another copy protection method.

If you think Urs is making it easy for crackers, look carefully: Those notes on team R2R's nfo's only mention a small part of all the tricks Urs has for you

And I was about to mention why don't they crack the "phone home" part of the code... but Urs says there's no phoning home code. That's really commendable, and I pretty much agree with what you said, Exodus.

I'm one of those who likes to test the software properly and then decide if the software is worth buying. Properly means using it normally, without any noises and interruptions or nag screens, in a few projects to see how it "breathes", sounds, how it's coded, and just generally gets along with me. ;) You simply can't get that from a demo, unless it's one of those "30 days of using it for free".

I am also a rather picky and minimal, but very demanding person who doesn't use tons of programs, nor plugins. I've been through that phase about a decade ago when everything seemed so new and interesting. ;) Nowadays, if you want to make music, it's best to work with a few of different chosen plugins, and forget about the rest. However, the choosing part is hard, but I've found the way to do it, and it works great. Not to mention that you can easier avoid crashes and bugs this way when you know all the plugins you work with by heart. Ask yourself this: why am I having 10 different delays when they all do the same thing? Of course, some are better than others, so use the better ones only. ;)

Speaking of better ones, I assure you, Urs, your plugins are on the top of my to-buy list. Only ACE and Diva, though. I've tried others and they just don't fit my workflow, although, I'm thinking about your FX suite... they sound rather nice, but I'm a fan of simpler FX since I know what each and one of the FX does and where it goes. The FX are the hardest to choose! Synths not so much. There are so many crappy sounding VSTis... so many. To tell the truth, I'm not satisfied completely with how ACE and Diva sound, too, so I'm looking at the hardware synths, again, after many years of using just software... lots of things happened in the hardware world since the 90s. Time to catch up? I can get some pretty decent older hardware for the price of some plugins. ;)

Cheers!

@Exodus

It seems that you cant read. I wrote to use Vmprotect as an "additional" file protector and NOT as the license mechanism. He should still use his own license protection.
Also the best crackers in the world use Vmprotect, to protect THEIR stuff. For a good reason.

I dont think, that there would be any performance issues, since it get unpacked "once" after loading and than its on your RAM.

Also with delayed CRC checks, he could implement some nice features, like "degration of sound", adding small amount of noise....

And dongle are not the holly grail. For example Codemeter is very good, but too expensive for the developer and makes only sense if you app costs thousands of dollars.
There would be also a "shitstorm" of complains if he starts using dongles.

I can show you several examples, on which there are no more cracks for apps, after the developer used Vmprotect to protect their files. There is only one hole for executables. If you know the license protecion, than a loader could be used to defeat the Vmprotection. But since this is just a dll, no loader will help you.

tomahak,

tomahak

It seems that you cant read. I wrote to use Vmprotect as an "additional" file protector and NOT as the license mechanism. He should still use his own license protection.

For someone like Urs, it thought it was pretty obvious that he should also use his own license scheme and add his own checks if he was to implement VMProtect.


I don't know much about VMProtect as much as I do about Safengine, but I was under the impression that since Team BRD (Daemon Tools Advanced) and a few other people on the net unpack it every few months, that it was definitely not useful anymore. But as I said, I don't know all the details about it.

However, from their official description, it seems VMProtect works by encrypting the code, running it on a virtual cpu with custom command sets for each file and never decrypting the code. They also say that only a few asm instructions are passed to the real cpu, but not enough for crackers to figure out the code's algorithms. If that's true, it could degrade the performance. With plugin's such as u-he's that are generally cpu hungry, that would be a bad thing for the customer.


tomahak

Also with delayed CRC checks, he could implement some nice features, like "degration of sound", adding small amount of noise....

He already does delayed checks on the serial and the plugin itself. As for degradation of sound, you have to be careful and make it very obvious to the customer. Things like playing weird melodies or doing extreme pitch bending works, but small amounts of noise, I'm not sure. Maybe some dumb guy may think that it's because the synth is badly coded (LOL) and tell all his friends not to buy it. It's something I wouldn't wanna risk doing.

tomahak

And dongle are not the holly grail.

I was kidding about the dongles, I don't recommend him doing it. I think everyone agrees that they're a shitstorm magnet

tomahak,
It seems that there's a misconception of how we work :-)

After R2R's pretty successful crack of the x-mas beta (which was too buggy to use, it was a beta after all), we could have changed that code. But we didn't. In fact, we even left the word "NAGGING" in there so they could always find the place where the Nagscreen comes up, and we did not change the counter for the demo limitation that they bypassed.

Previous teams were less successful because they attacked the serial number scheme. R2R did something else, which was a wise decision. But their attack worked exactly one time, on a now outdated version. Hehehe, we have reverse engineering tools too, and we also have fully documented source code. So we're in a very good position to identify a cracker's style, sleep over it and lay out a new strategy.

Yet we make things easy to crack.

Do we? - Because in the end all you get is similar to a 30-day trial. There'll always be a point where you brood over a project that you invested tons of hours into. And then it suddenly invites you to buy a full license - because quite frankly, it isn't cracked, it's just an extended demo.

What we do is, we make life easier for legit customers than for freeloaders. We don't do dongles or other intrusive measures. We just do serial numbers. We have super fast download servers, we deliver licenses instantly and we offer great support. As a legit user you can update just by installing a new version over your old one, and everything is fine. Our service is simple, fast and efficient.

Downloading a crack otoh is a nuisance. One has to solve captchas, one has to be very careful about what to click (at least when you're as old and easily confused as I am), one has to wait a minute or two, one has to stay online for those extremely slow servers and one gets headaches from weird advertisements. The installers are crap, they don't respect file permissions management and the d/l forums are full of complaints. These complaints have nothing to do with our protection and they wouldn't have happened with our own installers. And then, well, I don't think I've seen a proper crack in a while (and don't get me started on those leaked serial numbers bought with stolen credit cards)

So no, we don't condone cracks, but we also see no reason to be paranoid or make things worse for our legit users. To the contrary, we invite everyone in to become a legit user. It's much easier to be one of those ;-)

- Urs

u-he

So no, we don't condone cracks, but we also see no reason to be paranoid or make things worse for our legit users.

That's the spirit!

Exactly!

SineWave

I'm one of those who likes to test the software properly and then decide if the software is worth buying. Properly means using it normally, without any noises and interruptions or nag screens, in a few projects to see how it "breathes", sounds, how it's coded, and just generally gets along with me. ;) You simply can't get that from a demo, unless it's one of those "30 days of using it for free".

But normally it does not work that way. Imagine telling that story to your local car dealer when deciding to buy a new car...

I have no problem admitting that I am 'demoing' some stuff for years now, but I also bought some stuff after 'testing'.

With Satin upcoming I have spent about 280€ on U-He yet. And I have no fix income and are not using this software commercially. Just because I want to support their philosophy and because it is the right thing. And having paid for it means you appreciate these products much more.

Don't use software which you should have paid for (availible resources).
Anything apart pure testing is crime, start working if you lack of money.
Otherwise I clearly hope your music never gets any serious attention!

Apart from that, I still think pirated software isn't bad at all.
But at the moment "the cracking scene" opened, all gone down the road.
Most people just don't handle it right. It takes some character.

I'd really like to meet the cracking guys nowadays.
Are they just seeking for competition or is there more behind? =)

Thank you for not censoring my post.

LORD GAGA
I dont have an internet connection on my Studio PC !!!
But thanks bro for your coment info !!!

I fiddled around with it until it timebombed ... no need to use it beyond that ... I got to see what beauty it could eke out (while bringing my old dual core to it's knees) ...

When I get a beast computer, this will be my first purchase of a VSTi, for certain ...

Look I don't want to appear an asshole and it is all well and good being all magnanimous and full of character and all that but Jesus CRACK the fucker and be done with it ffs :). I have had loads of tunes out and haven't made enough to pay for the fucking postage of what is tbh a mediocre synth, but in a weird satirical twist of morality, I do see people sharing my music on YouTube and everywhere else. So I say fuck it just do it for the love and then become a fucking crack whore DJ and go and gig and make some fucking real money :).
The whole music world is upside down right now and thank God in this present economical client we can get our hands on some great music making softwarez that help us realize in some small way our dreams to communicate through this amazing universal language.
These companies just want your money. Make no bones about it. Do not fall for the cool aloof attitude towards piracy. They hate it, simple as that! They don't care that they let the guy go because of a fucking lousy 20% drop in sales. I bet you all could hear them crying when that decision had to be made lol.
Lets turn the tide peoples. Lets charge the software companies for testing their perpetual beta ware on our beloved PC/Macs. I bet they wouldn't be long in ironing out the bugs when the shoe was on the other foot.

Peace

z3r0

I have had loads of tunes out and haven't made enough to pay for the fucking postage of what is tbh a mediocre synth,

Calling Zebra a mediocre synth I guess that means you have your tunes out free on Myspace, and they're bigroom Avicii style, right?