[obsolete] Sonart Audio Scam

Well, actually they are an stupid Company, i bought 1 pack of $25.00 and they send me that Link able to Download all their Products for Free... This must be an mistake from them but i thanks so much to SONART people for this great gift, jaja. Btw the VENICE Collection is great!!!

These certainly are very naughty boys. I reccomend they be punished by ripping their eyelids off with industrial strengh boltcutters, and making them code into midi files Fred Grimthilwayte and his Flatulent Cat's complete works on either ZX-Spectrum or Vic-20 computers, then locking them in a room for the weekend being forced to listen to them being played continously thrrough a pizzo buzzer at the highest it can play. That's how we treated naughty boys in my day.
Nowadays I hear of people punishing naughty boys by giving them a tablespoon full of cod-liver oil or castor oil, and sending them off to bed without supper. I think the old days were much better. I remember walking to school and back across 700 KM of deep snow, broken glass, lava pits, acid pools barefoot, and had to wrestle wild animals as well. We lived in a septic tank beside Grimthorpe's rendering plant and sewage works, and worked there for 16 hours after school for a penny a day scraping the pipes clean with our fingernails, and if there was as much as a spot on those pipes we were beaten with chains and broken bottles and had our pay stopped for a month. When we'd get home to our septic tank and told how we lost our wages for the next month our dad and grandad would have us skinned alive and we would have to sleep for the whole hour we had for sleep in barrels of salt. Aye, we loved it and it was worth it, it taught us proper conduct. Unfortunately kids these days don't know what they are missing, no wonder they are setting up internet companies to scam old ladies like me......
Minnie Bannister (96)
Oh! and of course nice sloppy slobbery toothless kisses to all you nice girls and boys for posting nice instruments for me to play. xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

TRUE !

Yeah, take them off the site and blacklist them. If at anytime any of us need to buy the sample pack, it seems we can't tell if we buying a legit license to use the stuff anyway!

what does it matter FFS

to summarise

we must not steal work from companies who steal work from companies

oh yeah i get it



FFS

everyone been stealing so long we forgot to realise

cant we just have a thumbs up or down on each post next to amount of views. one we can change later if we change our mind. about the quality

Yes. Delete it all. We should try to disassociate ourselves from people like this.

Can I have the honours SAiNT? :p lol.

There is no longer honor among thieves.




Yes you.

Idea: Sony loops flood to take our minds off of it.
At least they have better than half assed libraries.

The problem is not that they're useless, it's that if you do find something useful, it's stolen and you aren't aware where it's real source is.

So now you think everything is great with your up-n-coming hit house song, later to get a cease and desist order because your main loop is from a song that Sonart stole from the Beatport Top 10 list.. I am not joking.

Funny as fok :) .........


Vengeance do a bit of stealing from stuff and everyone loves their samples

Lets ban vengeance !! :) :) (kidding)

Beatles did drugs............. burn the Beatles records ........ oh hang on I'm getting carried away :) :)

I love the fact that I always avoided their stuff even though I didn't know this. Maybe on some subminal level I always knew they were a scam.

it's just funny that you see it that way ...
But actually its the other way around
the people Who release those tracks have used Vengeance Samples
there is also the faqt that He programs the factory sounds for a massive amount of synths (access, Roland, Yamaha, Waldorf, Propellerheads, reFX, Novation and Even From a load of other manufactures)
Most of his samples were unique when his packs came out
I still remember the Essential Clubsounds Vol 2 witch were samples that nobody had when it was released and later became overused by tons of people that bought it ... But That Might also be because there were not a lot of other company's offering royalty free sample packs at that time and they were also perfectly made for all genre of electronic dance music You actually could use them without requiring lots of processing and editing

Did you never wonder why so many big named artists in the electronic dance music Scene advice those packs even on Video's where they were just asked what sample packs they used ...
Because those packs are the best once you could get for electronic dance music that are out there
However I have to say that his latest packs are not all as good as the Classic were

Ravix, it has been proven many times that at least some of the Vengeance loops have been taken from existing, released tracks. It's the truth and the only truth! That said, I don't have a problem with that really since house music have always been about sampling. Vengeance just did the dirty work for us ;) Even in some of those tutorial videos, I think it was some big name producer who notices when auditing Vengeance samples that it has been taken from his track .. But he says it's all good ;)

You are really stupid ...
you know that he is a sound designer And Load s of People Requested him to make samples of the stuff He makes and those requests also include some Remakes of sounds that were used in tracks
The faq is that he just did Remake a lot of those sounds
There are actually a few sounds I know from that are used in older tracks but most of those are impossible to sample
There are a few of those that I tried to do myself One From a Dutch Hardcore track that always had a kick hihat or another sound playing at the same time in the entire track
The point is that the original artist created this sound using a synth ... and Vengeance is as i mentioned before A Really good synth programmer that could just recreate that sound
so why the hell should he sample something from a track if he is just able to recreate it himself

Because it's easier to sample? i know for a fact that he has sampled some artists, I know them personally and they have shown me the samples and original tracks. I'm talking about his house collections, I don't know about the hardcore packs. Btw. I remember that some of the tags / headers in the wav files of those Vengeance cds had some traces from mp3's they were sampled from. How can you explain that? Ok, maybe he did some sound design for artists and whatever but he HAS also sampled some commercial tracks. No matter if you say otherwise, I don't believe you. As I said, I DON'T have a problem with this at all, and he surely is a talented sound designer and I respect him and I like his sample cd's actually. I'm just pointing it out that he has sampled there's no way around it.

But as I said, house music and related genres have always been based around sampling.

Btw. here is some examples of rips on Vengeance Essential House:

VEH release date: 4th November 2005.


Rip 1 = Bodyrockers I like the way (junior jack remix) 28 Feb 2005. Compared to VEH1 house Loop 040.

Rip 2 = Eric Prydz - Woz Not Woz released 2004. Compared to VEH1 House Loop 097.

Rip 3 = Hardsoul - Back Together, released 2003. Compared to VEH1 House Loop 032.

Rip 4 = Mambana - Libre (axwell mix), released 2003. Compared to VEH1 House Loop 035.

Rip 5 = Freaks - The Creeps (steve bug remix), released 2003. Compared to VEH1 House Loop 069.

Rip 6 = Stonebridge - Put em high. Released 2003. Compared to VEH1 House Loop 154.

Rip 7 = Ueberschall House Musique Sample library Syn127shot_phever. Released 2002/2003. Compared to VEH1 FX 29.

...And there are many more. You think Manuel designed all those loops specially for those people and included them in his sample cd's? As you can see all the tracks are released before the sample cd ..

And to be perfectly fair, Manuel is not the only one doing this :) Lot of older sample cd's from Big Fish Audio, Zero-G etc contain loops from released tracks ..

I have some useful things from them, downloaded, not bought.
I believe it would be better some type of warning to their products (posts), and then each one make what think is better...

sonart even beats actual bfa releases in shittyness - recording a fart and mangling it creativity wise is more satisfying than this megatons of crap. bfa should change to bsa aka bigshitaudio - i want the times back where real audio artists put way more content on a floppy disk than actual multivolume double layer releases do. did you notice how rare real apple loops are? how much space is wasted by stupid converting from one loop format to another just in order to say its compatible with nintendoDS and vectrex ... etc. etc. ? noone takes advantage of the specific format, they simply convert to fill the disk, they can say its lot of content - strip it down and you barely reach a cd-r and the quality remains shitty, because they invest more in quantity than quality. i wouldnt be surprised to know that no human mind is involved into the production preocess anymore - its more just like random sound recycling and automated converting to the 20 different soundfile types. almost every single release gets an good review somewhere because its been paid for. a bag of ol akais from ebay will give you more satisfaction than really most of the recent sample libraries ever will do. the real gems you find by accident or chance.

ElMoreno, iLIKE

owning the dabate on vengeance

also on D ramirez tutorials he says roll of low frequency on all percussion because it may be sampled off records, and hes using vengeance samples :)

sonart stuff sucks so much, so why use it?....

and in case you found a sound that doesnt suck and use it in a comercial production, be prepared to get sued by another company who holds the rights of the original material.