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Today, out of nowhere, just like crap on one's shoe - our dearest friend Eddie Bazil, after almost one year of silence, started to send his ridiculous threats to me again.
Yes, it's a pure waste of my time, but I'd still like to give this for your amusement.

For those who is not aware, here's the first thread

Letter 1:
We spoke before, when I requested you remove my infringed content by you, whereby you plastered my private conversation with you all over your forum for public gain. Before I delve into what will happen next I would like to be able to answer in your forum all the allegations that have slanderously been made and kept online for no other reason than to gain favour and publicity for your company.

This thread:
/audio-lounge/36754-download_my-conversation-with-eddie-brazil-from-samplecraze.html

So, send me login details so I can answer your unfounded allegations and pls provide copies of the dialogue for legal reasons.

Feel free to register... but then, you'll be a part of community
but that won't matter i guess, since everybody already know you're using pirated software.

anyway, please stop bothering me with your threats.

Letter 2
There are no threats. This is so I can answer the slanderous content you
have uploaded. And especially regarding the so called pirated software.

What are you scared of?

Once this has been done then we can talk about the next step.

What you don't seem to realize is that you are not supporting a community,
you hide behind that, and you are afraid to allow me to answer the
accusations you have made in the event your users really know who you are
and what you do.

So, be brave, create an account in which I will post and then you will
confirm not to have it edited so all can see.

I have important information that I think your user-base should know about.
So, pls hiding behind the 'threat line. No one is threatening you, so kindly
publish this email to your forums for all to see and then allow me to expose
you for who you really are now that I have information about how you conduct
your business.

It's up to you. If you say no then it's not a problem. I will simply create
a page on my sites and write what I want to say in your forums.

So, since you hide behind your country's laws, why not allow me to really
say what is going on?

BTW, I know you love breaking the law but in this instance you have my blessing to upload this email to your forums.

- Since Eddie doesn't know how to verify his registration, I've created an account for him and send link to this thread.

...few minutes after:
so, where is the post or reply icon? all iu have is your usual diatribe and nothing more....

you are accusing me of threatening you on your front page?

so, where is the reply button then?
attached screenshot

It's not a forum :) to reply, simply post your comment using the form and press Submit:
http://en.zimagez.com/zimage/capture-1407.php
you'll have to split your comment on two parts if it's too big (you'll see a warning).


...I've decided to move Eddie's post from the forum directly into the post, so here we go:

Eddie Bazil:
For those of you that are berating me here without knowing any of the facts, well, read on.

I am a one man business and I write books that are screened and published for content. I also write for magazines, so all my content is scrutinized and verified. Someone mentioned that using a cracked piece of software in a book would be tantamount to stupidity. Of course it would, and it would also make the publishers look stupid and open to litigation.

You are all accusing me, based on Saint's appalling publication of my private email request for him to remove infringed content and the screen capture of the timeworx compressor in my book.

Well, any of you that actually work in this industry will know that the following is very common. Additionally, I implore you to contact the owner of Timeworx, a very close friend of mine and someone who is currently coding my vsti. But then again I am sure he likes being ripped off and then re-employed by the person who has ripped him off huh?

When I write a book I try to endorse small businesses like myself. Michael, who created Timeworx (which BTW is being incorporated in my latest VSTI), is such a person. I contacted him a long time ago to use his products in my books. He sent me the Timeworx as a NFR (pls feel free to contact him and verify this). I used his plugin but, as with a number of plugins at the time of the Win 2000 to XP changeover there were stability issues. Michael and I had little time to resolve this so I contacted Nitro and one or two other companies re the cracked version. We found that some cracks actually were considerably more stable than the released version because they were stripped down of all unnecessary reg codes. In fact, when I was sound designing for Emu/Ensoniq we had the same problem with the first version of Emulator X. It was buggy as hell and the crack was far more stable and the version that 4 of us sound designers used to create the sound libraries.

The Nitro crack was available through a company who stole Michael's products and packaged them as the Millenium Pack. Michael went out of business because of the amount of rips he had to endure, something I have to deal with every day and with the type of people who you all hail as your saviors: people who steal content and then offer it to their user-base for glorified thanks, people like Saint, companies like Audio Z.

I contacted Michael quite a while back to find out if he had pursued with Timeworx and if he had a 64 bit version available for Win 7. He informed me he had left the site running but had ditched the products, and this was back in 2006. My heart sank as he is such a nice guy and has a family to support and the rips simply killed his business, the same as is happening to us small businesses.
Michael and I are hoping we can create a well priced Vsti that does not get so heavily cracked. Hell, I sell my Kontakt modules for $8 each. How cheaper do I need to get for people to stop ripping it?

I am not implying you guys use cracks, far from it. Just some of the threads here have admonished me because people assumed I used cracks. If anything, I do the exact opposite and endorse small companies and make sure they get as much exposure as possible. This is evident in my latest article for Sound On Sound magazine and follow ups for Music Tech etc..

We, as small entities, cannot absorb rips. We are just too small to pay for protective systems, PACE, iLoks and the like. Even Rob Papen, one of my closest friends and someone who I knew from years and years ago at Emu has dropped support and development for Albino due to the amount of piracy he has had to endure. I made sure all my students bought Albino, I used Albino in my books and specifically in my latest book on Effects, and I even created a library to support the product for Rob. This is what we do but you guys don't know about it simply because you are not at our end of the industry, the beck-end, the technical end.

Additionally, and something some of you will have noticed, Ultrafunk who made wonderful plugins and were used in my book also went under due to piracy as did Blue another company I used to try to help promote. We simply cannot endure piracy. We are all small companies trying to earn a living.

I could have gone down the litigation route with this forum and Audio Z but chose to respond here as Saint simply refuses to print any of my emails on his site in response to his allegations.

I implore you all to kick back, check and validate your accusations, and then think about who is really screwing who.

Sites like Saints exist on a number of criteria. I suggest you all follow his paper trail to find out what he really does to earn money from his 'community forum and site'.

In the interim, I would greatly appreciate this thread being removed as it is indexed in Google and is causing harm to me and my company. I have requested the same from Saint but he prefers to keep it on his site as it indexes his company on page 1 of Google only because of the private dialogue between him and I being exposed for his personal benefit.

I leave the rest up to you but advise that maybe you need to ask questions from Saint and his personal 'entourage' before making unfounded accusations, particularly ones that have been continually answered to but never published.

I'll let you decide why Saint wouldn't allow me to respond in his forums as I have here.

Thanks you
Zukan
Samplecraze


further timewasting correspondence
so, you have removed my response from Audio Sex even though all questions were asked there?

like i said, it's moved to AudioZ, where it's all started.

will you print this email on your front page pls?

- here you go

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NO, false! no What you're trying (like the record industry) is monopolize, control + exploit creativity to make unshared profits. You are false priests preaching poverty and living in luxury.

It's time to smash that system - how many dead "Stars" do you need more?
F@ck your starsystem.

I actually don't need to add a thing to that. Speaks volumes. rofl
  Administrator 1.01.2004 301 1131
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Do you earn any money from the resources side and design sides of your businesses? How do you make your living? Are you ashamed to admit you make money from the same art and creativity we are trying to protect?

it is not the same. if i have a customer willing to pay for my work, then it would be stupid not to work.

and i'd be happy to guide my creativity to help that customer. that will be my art.

it's different with my music, because music for me is something absolutely sacred and should be done to express oneself on the first place.


what i've been trying to say is:
Artist will be happy when he's able to express himself. Money is a side effect.

I don't understand why would you go into this business if you care for money so much? - you should have studied for a broker, or banker. that's where the money is.
While real Art is always poor. sad


going to sleep now.
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Anyways, Saint will never answer that question and I think I'm up against it with you guys no matter how little you respect in life.

With that I bid you farewell.

Saint, best to keep an eye on your emails pal. Pirated links on external servers are one thing but defamation/slander in a public domain, irrespective of where it is in the world, are taken very seriously.

We'll be in touch.
  Resident 21.09.2011 15 731
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...never mind then...

Good night
Thank you for helping us help you help us all.
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'I don't understand why would you go into this business if you care for money so much? - you should have studied for a broker, or banker. that's where the money is.'


If you earn from your art and creativity then what gives you the right to judge whether I should or should not? Can't you see how that comes across? You earn money from your skills and so do I.
If you could paint and could earn money from it wouldn't you? If you could create beautiful designs and earn from it wouldn't you? Why would you neglect your talents and artistic abilities to do something else when you can earn from what you have learned and are gifted in?

You then go on to suggest I should have 'become a banker!!!!'
I am surprised at you. They have bankrupted this world single-handedly!!

'While real Art is always poor.'

Yes it is and small guys like me trying to sell something for 8 bucks instead of ripping you a new asshole should be welcomed not punished.

You could do so much with this forum to actually help real artists and give them a livelihood so they can carry on with their art.

The amount of kids I have taught at council workshops who would never be able to earn enough money to work their art whilst keeping a day job is staggering. If they could earn, no matter how small, from their talents then we should be helping them, not crucifying them.

Anyways, I'm spent.

Good bye all.
  Banned 13.05.2011 801 3875
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Eddie Bazil's Additional Information

Honors and Awards:

Truly Handsome 1973-2010. Lightsaber mathta 1902-2010. How to lie convincingly 1993-2009.


That's revealing enough!
tongue

Samplecraze
25 West Drive
High Wycombe
Bucks HP13 6JT
Buckinghamshire


Somewhere in Britain....
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buckinghamshire


Did HM The Queen buy any Samples from you yet?
rofl





  Resident 23.01.2012 9 119
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I all about money he want be a contributor on music warez but don't know how =)) he just want money rofl
I love this man :D
TEAM LiBER8
  Resident 2.05.2012 48
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Hm, perhaps I was overly optimistic sad
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Get a proper job Eddie, then you can give your stuff to us for free! rofl

I've bought some of your 'stretch that note' packs before, and I've also taken advantage of 'free' stuff on sites like this. I cant buy everything I download, but I do purchase my fair share over time. As do many others.

We were never going to buy all the things we download, it's just not realistic. Whether I was downloading stuff for 'free' or not, I would still spend the same amount of money each year on samples/software regardless. I can only choose so many things each year, and if yours is one of the things I buy then you get some money, which like I say you have already had from me.

So if your products are good, people will still buy them, regardless of whether they are pirates or not,It's a numbers game, will your company be chosen when the pirate spends his money? Do you give people any reason for them to give you their money?

If a person discovers one of your products on Audioz, and that person then downloads it for 'free', and at some point in the future they proceed to buy something from your website, then you have just made a sale that you would otherwise not have made because a site like this exposed you to a potential future customer. So it can work for you, but you have to tweak your business model to get the most out of the way things are.

If you gave a reasonable amount away for free on all your websites, then you'd probably get more sales. If you have a variety of quality products that are affordable, and also give away some quality products as well, you will get more out of the deal. Your other stuff that is not free will still get pirated, but effectively by giving some away for free your stuff will still reach the pirates, but you'll get more kudos and more sales in the long run by doing that.

It should be factored into the developers business model, because pirating is an unstoppable train..

Work with the pirates, not against them.

Embrace the reality, welcome to the future!


BTW, Saint - that girl in the webcam advert, bottom left corner of the website, she has a great arse! You can leave her there as long as you want! yes
  Resident 15.04.2012 7 111
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I think he's trolling. Or he's sick on his brain :D
My English is bad but who's give a fuck
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Hey I know this post is kinda old now but I wanted to drop my two cents on it. Haha made this account just so I could.

Me being a artist that has multiple releases on multiple labels all over the net, I fully understand the extents of piracy. When I first heard from a friend that my music was being torrented I was like, "what in the fudge, no way". Checked it and sure enough it was. Yea I was pissed but it soon dawned on me that the uploader and the people seeding it (for better or worse) wanted other people to have easier access to my music.

Now im no big artist so there little to no chance it was just some ***hole pirate that just wanted to lessen my music by giving it out for free and even if it was little did he know he was supplying it for me to fans that couldn't buy it but loved it never the less so they downloaded it for free.

Now people have uploaded my tunes to hulkshare, zippy, mp3bee, and various other places. There are MANY more piracy mediums for music itself than the tools it takes to make music but my troth has yet to be broken because of it. It only fuels me to make more and more music. What will happen? People will pirate it even more? It will get into more hands, heads, and ears? It spreads across the net into various platforms all the while spreading my name, music, and artistic intentions? People will think about me and other artist alike and wonder, what type of mind it takes to create such a thing? That sounds DAMN good to me! People will take my music and in part take me into thier minds and lifes for better or for worst it is what I make music for...everyone everywhere I don't care how it gets there...what matters most is that it is there...

At any rate, people love the $I! out of music. This passion will drive poeple to do anything to make it or obtain it. I understand this and so should any other artist (novice or pro).

By no means can I say piracy is right, cool, jazzy, righteous or whatever the kids say now-a-days but it is here to stay. It both helps artist and lessens artist to degrees found on both ends of the artistic spectrum. Haha, some of the great electronic artist we have today pirated and still may pirate thier arse off lol. So...in the end...it is what it is...from the artsit perspective...you either bare the music or get the *&^% out of the club.


I dont think SAiNT or Mr. Bazil are wrong for doing and sayin what has been said and done. Both are right in thier own way. Both parties could've gone different way about it I believe. I.E. SAiNT not puting Mr. Bazil on blast and Mr. Bazil not threatening SAiNT for doing what he does. It's all in the game man. Take it or leave it.

Much love!
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WHEN HIS VSTI COMES OUT ILL BE SURE TO DOWNLOAD IT FOR FREE LOL
  Resident 13.11.2009 103
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Eddie Bazil
It's sad that you lot actually believe your own lies. You even protect Saint and yet none of you know how he earns money from these sites. Ask him and be enthralled.


Well if SAiNT making all this money, why not take leaf out of his book Eddie and set your own site up.

If Microsoft can be cracked then the rest is fair game
  Moderator 21.01.2012 2373 16092
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To Eddie

For your website, you use Drupal (for those who dont know, this is a free Content Management System) Did you ever ask yourself how these guys do to offer for free such advanced system?

Yes, i know, I know, you are going to tell me that they are a big group of persons...
Ok
Then look at this: http://www.faststone.org/ what do we see here?
A very useful appealing free image viewer/editor more than 6 years of development. Free for personal use, not for business, and then some shareware programs.

I could go on with a very long list of examples only to say that, you can waste many ours here on discussion trying to convert people (Yes convert, like crusade... but .. you know what happened to crusaders don t you..?).

Or you could spend your time thinking about how could you do a sustainable business model.

Selling lessons through internet is a very difficult thing, as we all have access to thousands of tutorials out there, to mention only 1 way: Youtube, this morning I had a FREE tutorial for Abbey road reed in my list, automatically, without even look for it.

Closer to your business, you could learn from this guy:
http://ultimatemasteringformula.com/the-ultimate-mastering-formula-live/
He has been sending mails each 3 days for 1 month with very interesting explanations, before he tried to sell any thing, and finally he s product is objective oriented, it is not a bunch of lessons. It is easier to catch people s interest if you propose to reach a concrete objective.

So, think my friend, not all business you believe is good it is. And believe me, "pirates" are not your worst nightmare.

Honestly I wish you luck
  Resident 29.10.2010 118
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It's unbelievable , Eddie never stops , let him be , he wants to be the good guy , buy any means , lets carry on with our lives for something more useful , it looks like he's searching days and nights for phrases of effect ,and throwing them dramatically as there was some sort of broadcasting show going on .... wow
  Resident 9.04.2012 220
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Eddie,
You went from making a point, and I will admit you had one, to attacking the AudioZ community directly and personally. I understand you are frustrated seeing your work available for free; It was removed as far as I understand. Here at AudioZ we share comments and opinions on the software available. We don't insult each other and certainly don't attack or try to "expose" each other. I can say that personally, I have purchased products that I have downloaded from AudioZ that I wouldn't have otherwise known about. Try to think of it as promotion. Pilz said it best and to add to that I would just like to say that this community is a strong one, as proven in this thread, and you are fighting a losing battle here. Respect to you for making an honest living doing what you love, but I'm sure you have friends who use pirated software including the music you/they listen to. We are all guilty to some extent and attacking us as a community isn't going to make people buy your software. Now we all know your name and your job is done. Thank you
Trust, but verify.
  Banned 13.05.2011 801 3875
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Of course I understand it when an Author or Artist sees his work publicly available "for free" without his Consensus. If he clearly says "NO" his content should be removed. Once i found my music free available on a French site; i wrote them a brief and clear letter (without any anger or bad words) and they removed it very quickly!

In a nutshell: It depends on you and your behavior. yes

  Resident 9.04.2012 220
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Kookaboo
In a nutshell: It depends on you and your behavior.


Absolutely! Thanks Kook forgot to mention his tone.
Trust, but verify.
  Resident 21.05.2011 204
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Hi Eddie Bazil,
This subject it s' a very complex problem...and very simple too ...

For example i make shitty music unexploitable for commercial use just because my music sucks....
But i'm inlove with producting my own music and i like most of them...

I bought, Live since the 7 version (very expensive updates, i fear the 9 version...), and NI Komplete 8.
But before buying Komplete, i bought massive....yu know what? i said to NI : in Komplete there's still massive, can yu do an evoucher and i buy another product instead, and i give you the serial of massive in product alone :
They answer me something, like nothing, and i lost 200 euros!!!!
When i had some problems with live, support helped me, that's why i will never buy on NI.

Because i'm not a talented artist but inlove with music : i check AZ just to inform me, testing products, see what people thing about this or that (sometimes not in relation with music), but for 70 per cents of products, i just test them....
For 29 per cent, i use them for a deeper test or i use them like 1 time in a year but i can not use them (not important, already equiped i think), and for 1 per cent i buy them.

I try to support developpers in small structures, but im not Bill gate, i can't help all this kindy people... i just can recommend or rate them just to attract people (because i thought this is a good prod, like a tester)

Ask big stars who use your products, to help you... what are they saying? none, they don't care....They prefer spend money on champagne!!!!

There, some products can be known, tested : it's a big publicity....
Like said others, there, most of members, can't afford horrible prices, but really want to know if this product rules or not, usefull for this etc...and some of them buy things when they have money (like me)!!!!

In fact, they are feeding this business market....if you don't know the existence of a product, maybe yu will never buy it!!!!!

There, i think your product live, out of there, unknown for major part of musicians, passionated (i'm both) or curious (never heard about your products since your thread)...

I'm sure that this site needs support, like small developpers, like that small products can't exist in regard of the major (bulldozers) who fuck yu and me.

But i understand, creation and dev cost a max of time and money...it's sad to see things cracked or given to all the people.

Think that yu're not alone here : yu can speak freely, debate with people yu will never see maybe in your life.
In older times audiowarez scene will already explode all your computers, and yu will cannot speak about your problems.....

Why don't you create a mini pack free of your products by yourself and uploaded by yourself on this site ? just to be known better?
Wait one month , and look your profits : maybe this is a way to conciliate both parts of the problem.

If yu love music, yu can love other things than money, but just sharing your passion....

One example :

http://0on3.wordpress.com/2009/10/20/oon3-bamboo-rare-instruments/

excellent libraries made free and given free by passionated, discovered here.

For me there's solutions, but needs to be open minded with some ideas for destructing the omnipresence of majors of the market.....

I really wish yu the best for you, your company, and also AZ com.

Thanks AZ community

Peace
Bonjoir !
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Quote from Saint : 'I think i'm an artist. Even though i earn for living by doing something i don't want to do, I still do art, because there is no other way my soul would survive without expressing it.' wink yes

  Resident 2.05.2012 48
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Remember the old Chinese proverb: 'Worry about piracy, yet the herd will scatter on its own accord.'

OK I just made that up.

BTW, reminds me about a piracy article I read on the BBC site, some months ago, about product piracy. You know meatspace. At the end there's a quote from a Chinese businessman to the effect 'worrying too much about piracy can drive you insane'. If I read some of the comments from IP Nazis online (>Torrentfreak) and observe some of the actions taken by IP groups (like confiscating that Winnie the Pooh laptop in Finland). I can only come to one conclusion, these people are literally insane. They need to be institutionalized. They have become fully oblivious to the fact that pirates are just ordinary Janes and Joes.
  Contributor 3.05.2011 657 4635
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thx for joining eddie :) was quite a good read ...
im still not sure what you want here? upload your content directly for us?
If you want to supply something, you can. PM is open for that.
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Olymoon
Closer to your business, you could learn from this guy:
http://ultimatemasteringformula.com/the-ultimate-mastering-formula-live/
He has been sending mails each 3 days for 1 month with very interesting explanations, before he tried to sell any thing, and finally he s product is objective oriented, it is not a bunch of lessons. It is easier to catch people s interest if you propose to reach a concrete objective.

I found some of his tutorials on youtube for free... Don't have the links thou...



Kookaboo
Of course I understand it when an Author or Artist sees his work publicly available "for free" without his Consensus. If he clearly says "NO" his content should be removed. Once i found my music free available on a French site; i wrote them a brief and clear letter (without any anger or bad words) and they removed it very quickly!

THIS IS THE MOST HYPOCRITE THING I EVER SEEN IN AUDIOZ!!!!!!
That coming for a contributor ripping all developers apps and sharing them for FREE is just a bullsh**!!! no
It's very hard to see it coming from you! You have disappoint me...

With this words you just clapped in the glass my friend. I see you with other eyes now.

IF I EVER SAW A MUSIC FROM ME SHARED IN ANY WEBSITE/FORUM IT WOULD BE A FUCKING PLEASURE! THAT WOULD FUCKING MAKE MY PURE FEELINGS OF HAPPINESS!!!!!!!!!



@AudioZ users and members:

I think we should go easy on him.
For what I read he is old. He doesn't understand modern technology, he doesn't know how to register in the website, he doesn't even know how to post a comment (Saint had to teach him) and as far to the browser refresh cash I think he just learned it when Saint told him to press F5 key...
He has a very old mind/concepts of evolution...

If we go easy on him he will understand us and come to our side, remember this:
1 - He already uses pirated plugins (having the originals or not doesn't matter because HE ACTUALLY USES PIRATED SOFT);
2 - He already admited that in some situations pirated plugins are more stable because of the crap code coders put in the original releases, spending money to in some minutes (in other cases days) be cracked;
3 - He already is an active member in this website;

MY PURE UNDERSTANDING FROM ALL OF THIS:
He is a clever guy and all of this is pure theatrical strategy. He (for his age) already knows that a polemic and controversial situation get public knowladge and publicity...
He only wants attention for christ sake.

Nothing of this is Saint's falt. A user (from thousands) post a pack from him and he contacted Saint. Saint removed the content for his wishes and he it's STILL breaking his head ONE YEAR AFTER??????? FOR CHRIST SAKE!!!!!

This guy is a looser and must be finding himself in a deep state of a "non-realisation business issue"!!!

He is just trolling and want attention!

Thank you AudioZ!
  Banned 13.05.2011 801 3875
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audiox
It's very hard to see it coming from you! You have disappoint me...

Ohhhh....little boy now crying?..... tongue rofl
My point as Author/Artist IS clearly different, or do you expect everybody being a straight hardliner? no I'm not ripping any developers - I just bring the goodies (you grab for free) which i get from suppliers.

audiox
IF I EVER SAW A MUSIC FROM ME SHARED IN ANY WEBSITE/FORUM

This reveals that you are a beginner! If you just crave for presence on (dubious?) sites, you'll have it harder. If you want to have more success you have to be selective + cautious where your music lands....


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Kookaboo
Ohhhh....little boy now crying?

no For a old guy sometimes you appear to be a child! no


Kookaboo
This reveals that you are a beginner!

Yes I'm a "beginner" and not ashemed for that! The way you talk make it seams it's a bad thing. But be awere that "beginner" is a relative term if I have past projects and I'm refiring to a new project. Do you go only with one name artist?
Cannot give more about this recent project but you would understand what I mean if I explain why I wrote that... But it doesn't matter what you think only what I feel.
Remember just one thing, you're a beginner too! yes


Kookaboo:
Actually, thinking again you have the right to do what you did, IF you pay for your "goodies" or if you are not selling it using free "goodies"...
After all its your work/time/knowledge and you have the right to deprive it from free access.


The thing is that I will always give an alternative for my tracks. I will always give a paid and a download version. If anyone wants to pay for them cool, if not it's ok because I do it for love.
My main point as a musician is to make money with live presence in shows, not seelling tracks. I see material (tracks/samples/albums/photos/website) as a promotional source to achieve the true contact and pleasure to feel the REAL feedback. If you do live shows you understand what I mean.
All my favorite artists and colleagues, since my childhood, I ALWAYS started to know through pirated musics or free contents from partnership projects or remix requests. Like so I choose to do that too, give free tracks. It's really the best way of promotion...

My last project I had labels interested in my material (and pretty nice ones) but when I told them I was thinking to always leave it for free too ALL of them run way. So I'm decided to make my own label, a new project and give it all for free with the paid version for the ones that like it and want to support... I was brooke some years ago so I understand persons without resources to knowledge!

I see musics as a flyer! And I believe me when I say this: I will always be happy for my new pirated material in future.
Will I require money for my musics = No mainly when I don't pay for the sources I use! headbang
Do I use pirated software = Fuck yes! headbang
Do I use bought software = Fuck yes! headbang
Do I expect to be a straight hardliner = Fuck yes yes yes! headbang


nezigrez:
You also said it well! wink


Lordgaga:
I saw your answer but couldn't answer at the moment.
Your comment was rather interesting and that developer actually aroused my interest, I think we should have more devs like that, open minded.
About u-He Zebra I remenber reading that in the nfo. The thing, believe it or not, it's that I'm one of the persons that actually bought Zebra based on the pirated version. The problem it's that Mr Urs thinks that applying that noise in the demos will help him to have more customers but He is totally wrong. I tyed the Diva demo and that noise all the time: man just drived me CRAZY!!!!!! I got so pissed off that lost all the interest in Diva. Now I have the pirated version and only based on this one I will buy it, or not. Already past one year since first official Diva release and he already lost a possible customer just because his ofensive methods...
I will never buy software just because I cannot try it - That's fucking ridiculous!!!

I also ask very often: Why do developers are so afraid of their work? We even have applications that don't have demos! Fucking ridiculous man, fucking capitalism! angry

Another example: I have all 112db official plugins just because I really could tryed them for 60days without any kind of limitation. Through the development I feeled so pleasured for my freedom that actually didn't finnished the trials in some of the plugins (reverb and Eq) and went straight away to buy them. All the others 112db plugins I went next.
Now I have a Mac and will not use the Win versions BUT I have the Mac versions too ...

Another example rater interesting is the one shared in this thread about Klanghelm's compressor. Actually I will download the pirated version from AudioZ and try it out. I read good things about it in some reviews. I actually like these open minded devs. This just make things go further.

If Mr Urs will read this then I want to say: Please stop putting that noise in your plugins and try to AT LEAST give a full 30 days trial (that should be a standard for demos) so people can reach true harmony with the plugin interaction... That philosophy don't makes us Pros or Newbies to wnat it more and as you saw it already with your Zebra, you will receive more users from a true experience...

One more thing... I recall to see the "Cubase Guru - The Art Of PsyTrance Production" tutorials (Yes pirated and yes downloaded from this website headbang ). The fact is that he is selling his tutorials using cracked plugins, so I also understand the developers philosophy against "pirates". You can clearly see that he is using Ohm Force cracked bundle because the "registered name" it's from a crack Team very well known... I don't remenber if in the beguining he is using that philosophy "don't use cracked plugins", "I know small developers", "I always buy plugins"... dunno

Maybe he has the originals but it's using the cracked version because it's more stable, like mr eddia bazil rofl
But the thing is that he is making money with pirated plugins! yes After his tutorials IF he bought the plugins with the money from the tutorials then everything it's ok and balanced...

Anyway, all the best to you all and see you some day again.


PS - Actually I only came here to say this:
Mr Eddie Bazil, one year from now, will came to Saint and ask him to delete this thread. THEN we will say it's all Saint fault, and this, and that...
Then Saint will create another thread (asked by mr eddie again) and it will start all over again... rofl
A PARADOX!
  Resident 4.09.2012 413 -27
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Oh, I'm too late!
Hopefully Basil got what planned. Write a story about the book, here and on our forum.. Sales increased.
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  Resident 15.09.2011 1 3766
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A good product will always sell.

If there was no piracy, we wouldn't be able to recognise those so easily, and lots of our money would get wasted on BS products with nice GUIs. Throughout the years, I have tried so much software, mostly plugins, since I use mostly Open Source and freeware for everything else, but the point is that I only found a few really good plugins which I bought and use. In essence, when I'm bored I download something new and see if it's worth buying. To be able to really evaluate the plugin you also have to use it in a project, and many developers don't let you do that. So rest assured, if I made money with something I did, my soul will be at peace as all the software I use is either paid for, Open Source, or freeware. I really don't see anything wrong with that "philosophy". It has saved me a lot of money so far that I would essentially give away for BS software I would never use.

Good discussion.

Cheers!
"The real hopeless victims of mental illness are to be found among those who appear to be most normal." - Aldous Huxley, Brave New World Revisited
  Administrator 1.01.2004 301 1131
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audiox
I think we should go easy on him.
For what I read he is old. He doesn't understand modern technology, he doesn't know how to register in the website, he doesn't even know how to post a comment (Saint had to teach him) and as far to the browser refresh cash I think he just learned it when Saint told him to press F5 key...
He has a very old mind/concepts of evolution...

that explains it sad
  Banned 13.05.2011 801 3875
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audiox
For a old guy sometimes you appear to be a child!

wink That's okay!
Several men in history had lost their child in themselves forever and became Monsters like: Adolf Hitler, Vlad Tepes III (Dracula), Osama Bin Laden, Silvio Berlusconi etc.

audiox
Yes I'm a "beginner" and not ashemed for that! The way you talk make it seams it's a bad thing.

yes I was also a beginner once, so there's nothing bad with it. Opposite: It's better that people discover + cultivate their real passions and create good things - instead of being victims of their governments, bosses, nations etc.



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