you can now donate with bitcoin or your bank card by clicking the piggy icon under the logo

  • Get the best VPN on the market with 66% Discount!
lounge » site news
message from developer, Tracy Collins:
Indiginus is a very small company (myself and my wife) and this is having a huge negative impact on us. Torch sells for only $50 US, a very fair price for such a product. I am myself a composer and musician, and Indiginus was founded at a time when I could not afford to pay $200 for a guitar library, so I created our first product especially for poorer musicians like myself, and we have stayed true to that vision and have just started to believe that our company could be really successful.
At this point, though, I'm thinking that it's just not worth is because of piracy.
Our latest product, Torch, took 5 months to complete, from sampling the guitar to editing the samples to designing the graphics to scripting the features, so you can imagine how it feels to be in our position.

There is a way that AudioZ could actually help us rather than hurt us:
Please remove all links to the downloads on this post, and any other posts on your site.
We have always had free, working products available for those who need them. You are welcome to link to this package

It contains several really working instruments (not demos) to help those who cannot afford to buy.
They can contact me for support (for the freepack or legally purchased items).

comments

  Resident 6.06.2011 10 275
+298
bseos
therefore it isnt like stealing a copy from the shop (n-1) as it doesnt result in a physical loss


well, just the money you should pay for it is "lost" for the dev :)

Are you also going to a whore and after the sex you say "I don't pay, because there is no physical loss!" ?? Or in a car wash. Or your isp, telephone, tv, younameit.

It's true, that not every used warez is a loss in money. But this point is used too often to NEVER buy software, even if you CAN afford it.

Anyway, we are at a point in this discussion, where it doesn't lead to anything useful. There are ppl who are supporting developers and some who don't. And those who don't will ALWAYS have an excuse for never paying anything for software. Even the best argument won't change their mind.
  guest -- 0
0
bigboobs

well, just the money you should pay for it is "lost" for the dev :)
Are you also going to a whore and after the sex you say "I don't pay, because there is no physical loss!" ?? Or in a car wash. Or your isp, telephone, tv, younameit.


obviously you do not grasp the concept
  guest -- 0
0
i bought it today to support..
  Resident 6.06.2011 10 275
+298
bseos
obviously you do not grasp the concept


As software dev I face the problem every day ;-)

Imagine, you have a job (is it hard to imagine? :P), never mind if you are producing physical stuff (e.g. furniture), services (e.g. punching someone in his face for money) or non-physical stuff (software, which is very close to a "service") - you wanna get paid. No matter if the product can be duplicated easily or not.

And THAT's the point. That's why release groups (remember, crackers are software devs, too) proclaims their doctrine:

If you like it [and use it] - BUY IT!
  Resident 4.04.2011 69
0
buy some borrow some :)
  Resident 13.12.2010 113
+13
bseos
Thats because software can be copied effortlessly, bit by bit, therefore it isnt like stealing a copy from the shop (n-1) as it doesnt result in a physical loss..

Wow, just wow. I mean, this one I have to pause for it. Lol, on top of that, your answer to bigboobs: "obviously you do not grasp the concept". What kind of concept is that?

All this debate here on this subject boils down to what the law that governs intellectual property is about. If it wasn't for the law, we'd not give a sh*t and Collin wouldn't have the right to give a sh*t.
Please don't tell me you are living in America, that way you can excuse yourself from not knowing the laws on copying. Tell me which piece of intellectual property you can copy bit by bit, distribute it and the law doesn't apply (even Creative Commons, Open Source and the likes have rules and law that covers them) go ahead, name me one, please. READ what every software, book, CD's, DVD's, BR's, etc... says in the right of use, you can ONLY make a copy for your own personal use and as backup. You CAN'T make a copy of any and distribute it. When obtained through piracy, the copy you hold is illegal. These are the LAW, dude. It is apply online (on site like Audioz) and offline at the nearest Best Buy. So, obviously you are the one who do not grasp the concept.
Because we easily bypass the law with piracy with Assign, AiR and the likes, doesn't mean it's a right bro... it's just a small privilege we have. Enjoy the privilege but don't be arrogant about it.
  Resident 16.09.2010 1416
+144
bseos
Thats because software can be copied effortlessly, bit by bit, therefore it isnt like stealing a copy from the shop (n-1) as it doesnt result in a physical loss..


Keep justifying.. and when u work ur ass off, and someone steals your work, physical.. or not.. you'll grasp the concept.

bseos
obviously you do not grasp the concept


wink
Yaaaaawn
  Resident 11.05.2011 172
+4
I think the majority of stuff i download, gets brushed over, then i forget it, if i really like eg: Dcam Synth squad, Sylenth, Massive then i save up to buy (eventually!) and DAW's like Ableton Live 8, i would prefer a legit copy; it works better, and i put a little aside to save up 500 for live suite. Nearly there but it will be New Year before it happens. Meanwhile cracked stuff is all i can use. I also have a lot of small synths and plugs that i hardly touch, in fact they are on a backup disk. i will probably never pay for these. Also i don't pay for sample packs very often, if i had to, i would switch to making my own sounds and delete what i didn't use, which i do now, to save space.
Keep it simple
  Resident 24.10.2010 58
+6
Begins to sound like that couple years past anti-piracy program in the begin of the movies you went to watch in theater.. "you wouldn't steal a car..".
Material and immaterial rights.. guess this will be the debate will go on since C64 to C64 000. By now only thing that have changed is the car models in car comparison with software theft. Well, all that have ever copied software aren't pirates, there are also legal backup copies for example. Which would be hard to make of a car you bought.
  guest -- 0
0
It amazes me the debates that come up when a developer asks to have his product removed.It doesn't even matter if he is nice about it or not.In this case he was nice and caused more to be said than that other dude who was rude.I am almost reminded of all those whiners who want Cubase.Piracy is piracy.......there is no point in arguing or trying to justify the rich/poor thing.Each and every one of you would do/feel the same way as any of these developers whose livelyhood and families are at stake.So,why must there be big debates everytime a developer asks for his product to be removed? Don't you have anything better to be doing like making music or working? Just remove the guy's product and leave it at that.
  Member 14.06.2011 34
+7
I think that the most important thing that this developer should consider is to contact the hosting sites and just keep an eye on sites which provide links to such files

This site provides links to files hosted elsewhere. The exact same links can be found across many sites or alternative downloads.

The only way this guy is going to be able to protect his product is by contacting the sites such as filesonic and letting them know that he owns the copyright to that file and they will take it down.

However, by him posting a message here it has brought a long standing problem to the fore once again and it is always worth discussing such situations - so thanks.
  Resident 8.06.2008 1 136
+27
I don't think that one can argue about immaterial things (for example: "has madonnas
vocal recordings the same ... value as a steel pot?") without mentioning the power of
belief. (Without it money is worthless.)

The one group is writing about INDIGINUS-SAMPLES and the other
about cracked software in general. Again, "there is a no physical loss".
But a value - in the form of work, creativity, passion ... i.e. cost of the sampled
piano/microphones ect.

I am a musician and want to make music...
And when i use their piano in my music the value is
.. kind of gone. So its a thing of trust when we talk about sample libraries.
I follow the philosophy of prefering the biggest company available when I'm
destroying someones life with my steals. I still use the same exs pianos as
before and every audiocreative woman or man needs a specific setup of sound
design possibilities and not much more. When i were forced to make every
thing with freeware its no problem for me. phones
  guest -- 0
0

dadarkman
Bseos:Thats because software can be copied effortlessly, bit by bit, therefore it isnt like stealing a copy from the shop (n-1) as it doesnt result in a physical loss..

Wow, just wow. I mean, this one I have to pause for it. Lol, on top of that, your answer to bigboobs: "obviously you do not grasp the concept". What kind of concept is that?


Quit taking my words outta context, if you had read the post in its entirety you would know what i was getting at.
  Resident 15.12.2008 35
0
DoktorDito
@ kday EHCanadian does NOT charge any money, he simply asks for donations, However he does ask for either a few bucks or a ratio exchange when using the FTP system.Bandwidth is not cheap you know. He does not get stuff from here. Actually if you ask around most get stuff from his site and as far as you getting banned. If you indeed did donate then you are immune to being banned besides EHCanadian never ever banned anyone. If you got banned then it was ME that did it, can't say why for sure but I stand by my decision.


Dude, That older site and the new site were total ripoffs. To say that EH Canadian doesn't get his stuff from here is pure BS. That's why he's here, I saw him begging an uploader on another site for the link to a new ueberschall sample CD that the uploader failed to provide the last link to basically making the other downloaded links unusable. And you also get you links from here and other sites because you guys update your site after the post are uploaded here and everywhere. Your new audio torrent website [ theaudioscene.net ] is still the same pure BullShit. Extortionist BS that try to extort the members into meeting your $600 month financial goal. I'm on torrent websites all around the world, where I paid donations for GB and they never say anything as long as the ratio is above minimum. But your website try to extort folks into paying you constantly for these downloads you get for free even if the ratio is over for many users. You folks ripped off my money because i wasn't needing to download your torrents so you zoomed in banned my membership without offering a refund. It's cool though, but then again it is an extortionist scam torrent site anyway.

If anybody join the site, make a donation and not download anything over a period of time you money hungry hogs will zoom in and acknowledge the inactive status donations history and delete the membership because they ain't buying new GB credit on a regular basis. Your site is the only I know that claims they're gonna close down if they don't get the $600.00 a month.

  guest -- 0
0
I had the same exact same experience as kday....!! EHCanadian F**K YOU...!!! Ripoff Merchant...
  Resident 24.03.2009 3 276
+49
message from developer, Tracy Collins:

There is a way that AudioZ could actually help us rather than hurt us:


OK lets help

firstly......no-one tell him that Tracy is a girl's name in the UK.

Erm......that's all i got so far :)

  Resident 25.12.2010 8 193
+336
bigboobs,"Back in that days, usually
* warez were for free (just internet fees)
* nobody got money, e.g. thru ads
* the circle of warez users was very small

You say, only big companies can buy software... thats wrong. Best practice: Cubase 6.
There is no cracked version available, but many, many installations (just check yt for tuts). So, many individuals paid for it, thats a fact.

I just want to remember, that everyone who's making seriously music, even let's say as semi-pro without making that much/no money, should consider to buy software, especially from smaller companies. If you don't, you won't have anythng to l33ch in the future, cause making audio software isn't worth makin it.

If you like it - BUY it.

Am I the last one, who's thinking that?"

thats the way it was but now a days they are never buying to bad because a lot of small sample company's if even a company make great sample packs i have tried from here and shared with the try before buy motto. even if i had to save for it. that's of course if i liked it

i read some where if it was under $50 it was not to be cracked or released but those are seen rule people sharing here are not from the scene like me i share stuff so people can test it also.
  Resident 6.08.2011 26
+4
@ Kday Part 1 of 2

I went hunting down for that forum place you claimed I was
begging on I found it then I clipped out the other users
comments and look who I found.

http://i53.tinypic.com/r7w5c3.png

Wow.. Over a year ago and is that the new standard of begging?


I do score up and torrent some releases on these sites when there
is nothing else out. But I do nothing more then the reverse roll
of a uploader member here really.

Again your clamming a 600 monthly running cost and FYI you can
only complain about such a thing while still in the same category
of a site. Witch isn't the case as theres 2 other audio trackers
and never of em shows there costs nor is the oper of them sites
active unless a special moment has come. Eg, Site move or New
domain was bought.

Since 2006 I've always shown the target and current. Over the years
the target cost has increased but that is really do bandwidth and em
good years on the audio scene. Now 5 years down the road we have
5 servers, web, db, 2 archives @ 8TB each and a work/torrent box

If it ease's you I can screen shot one of our monthly invoices if
you would like ?

A side note.. When you talk about other torrent sites let me put into
prospective that some of them sites are category specific and that
alone has a membership impact on registered users. Movies n Music are
the money makers in the BT world. If you can dog out the heat from anti
organizations you can return a decent set of maybe 3 rentals at some
decent specs and just keep feeding the users content as that is stuff is
@ a never ending supply so your users really do not have to go anywhere
special other then your own site and that alone is enough to drive
your members into donating users. As entrapping as that seems the faster
you release it at longer high speeds the more your users are happy and
will boycott n flame anything else that may pop up. Its just how it works.

Now if we hop off the money train and decided to not fall into the
greed that can take over a human from my initial post before you decided
to flame me from some point in history.. You can break it down that
you are not going to have as many members as em big boys and when the
content you are serving for your member base is not very steady you'll
find out that they tend to wonder off and continue their Google search
for other sites that might have something a little more to give content
wise you'd find out that up till late 2009 before the big file hosting
bubble started that most shares n buys where within a few sites but
that has now since changed with the file hosting aspect. But now I'm
getting a ttle off track here. It basically what you decided to download
freely is not really free infact nothing on the net is free as someone
is left holding the invoice/bill for such usage. Free is a over used
word that has no true meaning. While free could be debated with the
fact that I didn't have to pay for anything so it was free to me that
other guy who's paying for the adverting or that free bandwidth is still
paying his rental/hosting per month and their for is not free at all.
Lag is the #1 killer
  Supplier 30.08.2010 552
+334
WoW hold on guys so I can make some popcorn. And @ Kday ,get your facts straight! DoktorDito did not say any of those things .I DID!!!If you are so sure that you are correct then prove it. Also I wonder how many AudioP2P releases you have downloaded over the years? Don't be the kettle calling the Pot black. The fact you're on this site just goes to prove you're no better than the people you are trying to trash And again you hijacked this thread and turned it into a personal issue. Please take this elsewhere.
Get a job

http://www.audiop2p.com/pre.php
  Resident 6.08.2011 26
+4
@ Kday Part 2

Rental providers are not like your ISP, You can't just say aye I'm a
little behind this month so I'll pay you when I can. They infact have
a delinquent system in place that generally after 5 days your cut off.

Anyhow..
We archive most all audio releases both web, scene and ind that seem
worthy to archive, We interact with the web n scene group to insure that
after PRE/upload that its automation is activated to insure that it can
get spread out as fast as it can. + a few things more I'm not going to
publicly announce.

You keep going on about your lost money to the website in question when
really I don't recall who you are, I don't see any support tickets from
you and in general I have no idea who you are or if you where a member of
the site. How much did you loose cause of this so called Pay or pay system.

So far all I see is you clamming something without any proof. So with that
in mind. I gave you $40 4 years ago and I still have not got my video game.
Your a rip off and a liar. There see. It can go both ways.

Most of my members feel I'm to nice.. That I just let people walk all over
me and I should be more strict. When in fact I'm a very cool Canadian dude
that just runs a tracker for em audio guys and helps other sites via code
and automation when I can. Other then that I haven't much invested into the
audio world apart from a custom site that I coded up and some script to
automated. I still think a C Sharp is a dangerous letter of the alphabet. But
I do like the sounds I hear from the member base and that alone in general
keeps me around to see what I have been doing the last 5 years hasn't been
a total waste.

Let me break something down again.
Donating to our site if you select to do so grants your basically blind
eye treatment for x months. Now if you decided not to use the site in 3
months. 1st 30 days your donor status, 2nd month your marked as 1 month mia,
3rd month your marked with a mia of 2 months noticed and a email to your
email address you have with us indicating that in 14 days your account
will be purged.

Now this all happens via automation. A account does hit some trigger values
and action is taken via automation. I've had a few years who has lost some
stats get em back by not assuming I have 5 years of backups and generally
attempt to explain why they where mia and could not open a ticket 6 months
ago. I've got quite a few funky answers.

BTW.. You do know that donating is a user contribute means right? as you
keep speaking about this donation as it was some kind of digital purchase.
If you truly had a issue and opened a ticket I would have more then helped
you return to a content state as a member if you aren't one of em 14 year
olds that seem to use every naughty word in a support ticket. As my naughty
world translation service expired the other month. Sry
Lag is the #1 killer
  Supplier 30.08.2010 552
+334
Way O.T. But I just saw the link that EHC posted and it seems that you kday asked for a repost of links 2days before EHC did. And as I look at all your accounts around the web I see a pattern. On this site you have been begging for links or re-ups. EHC already posted proof of you doing the very same thing on AF and whats up with the neg rep on Vclub? Do you not play well with others? Basically from what I see , you have been around for 3 years on 3 different forums and less than 50 posts Total.99% of which is you doing the very same thing you are trying to accuse others of doing.See the pattern here?It's Shame that the most active you have been lately is in this thread which you hijacked and turned into a personal issue. A even bigger shame is that I had to lower myself to your tactics to get this point across to you.So Kevin do yourself a favor and take a chill pill. Do not go around misquoting people , do not go around trashing people. All that does is show the rest of us how immature you really are. Well that's the end of my Diatribe. I hope it's the end of yours as well.
Get a job

http://www.audiop2p.com/pre.php
  Resident 15.12.2008 35
0
EHCanadian,
Mykal,

EHCanadian, you found yourself on another website begging for somebody else's post to sell on your own website huh? Priceless! All that spit that the barking troll dog Mykal wrote is bullsh*t, feed the dude some doggy treats and make the guy shut the hell up already. It's no need to try to now claim you have a website, and justify why you steal and extort your members out of their money. A minute ago you claimed you didn't even have a website but since you got busted you now feel the need to justify why you have to extort the members out of their money. For some strange reason no torrent website I ever known of complained about any cost to maintain a torrent site. Non even begs for money, some ask if a member wants to donate they can every now and then, and I'm always happy to donate even if they didn't ask me. But for a website to extort me and steal my money and then delete my membership I honestly was looking at how to report that whole crime operation to the FBI to shut that sh*t down at that time.

If you would have said hey you're not downloading on here, and we need downloaders to constantly buy seed money to maintain this website and offered my money back and then deleted my membership I would have understood. But to just delete my membership after I made a donation to your sh**ty audio torrent site because I wasn't constantly giving you folks money, was totally scandalous, and sh**ty, considering that you and Mykal both troll and download from here and other sites for free before adding the downloads to your own site.

EHCanadian tried to lie and say he didn't operate a website now that he's busted, he's now trying to make us forget he lied and is trying to justify why he has to extort and rip off peoples money to pay his rent and car payments on other companies software he gets here for free.

Both EHCanadian and Mykal are leeching trolls, Mykal is like a pet barking guard dog who is now claiming he ripped off my donation money and feels justified in doing so, because I so happened to run into him here.

I mean lets face it, both EHCanadian and Mykal are both trolls you both are idiots and should be banned period! We should get a Vote here on if you both should be banned here. You guys leech off other sites and then steal and extort money out people on your own for the people that don't constantly give you money for the software you get for free here and elsewhere, you guys are knuckleheads, trolls, pure idiots, you rip off peoples money, period, aside from your extorting people to pay you to remain on your sh*tty website. You guys probably made a fortune operating a shady torrent scheme, you been doing it for years.

If you're not scam artist paypal me back $10 donation since I never downloaded anything on your website after paying money?

Greed for money is the root of all y'all shady practices.

maseke is a person I don't even know, and he even verified what I been saying all along about your audio torrent scam site.

www.theaudioscene.net

Honestly your site should get a scam rating, many people can verify shady practices and theft on that website.
  guest -- 0
0
kday
I don't know what planet you come from but you seem to be a very deluded person indeed. EHCanadian has explained that his system sends an email before closing an account. Are you gonna claim that you did not get an email? As for leeching trolls, well, how many AudioP2P releases have you downloaded? I'd love an answer to that :) A lot of moderators from other sites are members of his site too and are (usually) good mates. If you go to the top of this page under the info tab & look at the 'the scene FAQ' just have a look who wrote it. This is only to be helpful to others. From what I see you are totally the opposite of this and 1 amazing leeching troll (to use your expression). Pray tell what have you ever done apart from leech & moan & insult others!!!!!!!!!!!!!
If you actually did get your way for a vote then you would obviously lose by a landslide & so would probably never be heard from again (that would be too soon anyway). Here endeth my two penneth worth.
  Resident 15.12.2008 35
0
bupper,

You must have just crawled from under a rock.

I thought I stated the site just stole my money and deleted my account for nothing? What part of that did you miss?

Why would would they need to send me an email advising they are closing my account if I donated money once and downloaded nothing? And why would they close my account if i donating money to the site and haven't downloaded anything?

I never even had a conversation with any of those guys or even a warning about site policies. just out of nowhere they saw no constant monthly donations and decided to just delete the account and keep the money. No big deal it's just the type of site it is, that's all.


  Resident 1.01.2009 2 535
+314
quite possibly the gayest argument ever...
BOOM BAP HIP HOP ALL F*CKING DAY!
  Resident 6.08.2011 26
+4
Ya this is kinda getting silly. I've proven what I needed to with this guy.

So you can go ahead and pick a flame war with who you want. In all your responses
you have claimed a scam, When you haven't backed anything up. You yourself said that
even when the account was closed you made no means to contact anyone on the site.

I've never claimed not to run a site. I claimed I had no idea about your issue. And
since you never opened a ticket regarding the issue and you have done nothing but act
childish. I see no more of a reason to discuss this issue with you even though you yourself
dragged the issue into the public. And you yourself ended up looking like child.

So with that. End of line....
Lag is the #1 killer
  guest -- 0
0
i like your site EHCanadian, it's very good for sure, and yes... please end of this line now, this
thread should be about something else :-) phones
  Supplier 30.08.2010 552
+334
Not cool to advertise another site dude, regardless of the point you were trying to make.

Kday
"considering that you and Mykal both troll and download from here and other sites for free before adding the downloads to your own site."

Don't know about you, but my mommy taught me to share. mates
Get a job

http://www.audiop2p.com/pre.php
  Resident 10.10.2011 1 428
+56
I always buy a plugin I feel I can't live with out and maybe you should make plugins other people can't live with out too...
Or make crap plugins and pedal them to the rich...
Poor folk need pligins too so share them...
yes
DnB
  Moderator 21.01.2012 2376 16094
+158911
@ SAiNT for Tracy Collins , I understand you, and by respect, I wont download any of your products from any where.
But let me tell what happens to me when I bought programs, after a while you see no real update, no support, and some bugs... so you say ok, they got me once, but they wont in the future. Trying a program means time, lets say yo can try half an hour per each 3 days, so when you come to 30 days it is not enough some times.

Besides, there are much more poor musicians than rich ones, so for most of us, 50 box is many money. If you dont do very advanced programs oriented to professional studios and rich musicians, may be ad-ware could be a more benefit solution than pay software.

I wish you luck

related posts

Message from Jack - Cinematic Strings dev

Spread the Word