How to Support our Uploaders?

thanks for the tip
you can actually put AdBlocker button on your toolbar like this:

I thought the uploaders rely on affiliating premium memberships. So they make a percentage of ad content from their personal links as well? As much as i like this site very little of the content is exclusive. If big libs like Spitfire/Audiobro had 'audioz only' torrents i would be willing to back finiancialy.

Jdownloader is downloading everything for me.

as i know from my experience that the uploader wont get any $$ from ads, the only person who get the $$ is owner of this site by deactivating ad-block. that's it.

the uploader = get from affiliate membership.
owner site = get $$ from ads on this site :)

im talking about ads from the hosting sites, you click on uploaders aff link, i wonder if they can make a percentage of the ads on ul/rapidgator etc ON TOP of their reselling of premium accounts.

dokx1

Jdownloader is downloading everything for me. wink

but its generating no money from the ads :) i have tested.

@SAiNT thats what i was looking for, not working on my firefox.

i dont buy any premium memberships - so they dont get anything from the affiliate membership.
Alex_love,
i dont talk about audioz - i talk about uploaded, rapidgator, etc and they pay you only if the ad popups are correctly displayed.

Articstorm

but its generating no money from the ads :) i have tested.

Well I guess I didn't understand the point: The download links are directly grabbed by Jdownloader, I never visit sites like Uploaded/Rapidgator etc. directly.

BTW I think ads only generate money if you click on them - what I never would do anyways.

dokx1,
no you also get money, when the popup window is open for a few seconds. :)
the point is - when you grab them with jdownloader, no popups will be open, download is counted, but no money generated, i know for big download packages its ok to grab them with jdownloader, but for single files its ok to download int he browser and keep the adblocker deactivated.

If I understand this correct the uploader doesn't actually get money from the ads, he gets paid from the cyberlocker company when his links has generated a certain number of downloads.
But what Articstorm is saying here is that your download will not be registered at the cyberlocker if you use adblock or Jdown.
This would mean that your DL is not added to the numbers in the uploaders account, and that's why he won't make any money from that particular DL.

Have I got this right?

Money and warez... guess this will be another loong thread

First of all every time you can download from the original posters links
not from mirror links.

the truth hurts 0 articles=with people like you this site wouldn't even exist.
You say people who profit off the scene? Well if you are honest you know that many libraries posted here are bought with the objective to be posted, so how do you think this works?
People who don't have money to buy libraries get them, by doing this a little money gets back to the one who bought it so he can buy more and post them. Every body wins, what's the problem?
But if you still think it's a problem, just stop downloading, and try to find where R2R is posting themselves in "supposed free" hosting.
Or just go and buy the stuff.
Please stop the hypocrisy.

I disabled adblock on AudioZ long time ago...

Middle finger to VPN warriors that contribute nothing but their big mouths and have no lives so all they do is make fake accounts all day. If you don't like it I don't know why you're here, go leech a torrent. The only joke here is you kid. The truth hurts.

Cataly5t,
who you mean?

the experts here really think that an uploader like $unny buy a product with his own money? you dont need to be einstein to understand that for security reasons he carding all the time. so when it's not his creditcard how it can be his money?

I guess Sunny is doing sth wrong: He should leech porn, films and games from the Usenet and serving it to one click hosters instead of 'reselling' audio warez which is merely a special interest thing..

this uploading-shit is making money with warez - nothing more worse than this in scene

groups arent cracking for ppl to make money with (one famous group already almost stopped releasing .. not many to breath anymore :( )

and of course downloading from uploaded etc does not supply groups (to get software to crack)

edit: making money with warez is unrespecting the groups

Articstorm

who you mean?

I was talking to the truth hurts.

Everyone
This is not the place to get into ridiculous hypocritical ethical debates. The fact that you people choose to turn a blind eye to stealing software by the thousands and yet still want to talk about uploaders making money is ridiculous to me. If you believe in those values so much then look into other means for obtaining your software and leave the rest of us to not have to rehash this ridiculous subject. Cyberlocker downloading couldn't exist without money as I've mentioned a million and one times already. Nobody is going to sit here uploading and maintaining links 7 days a week so some leecher can grab yet another software package, you're not that important. You wouldn't do it so don't expect anyone else to do it. In the end nobody is asking you for any cash and nobody is forcing you to download here.

R2R:

± Our greets go to all hard working groups. ±
± And middle finger to the people who make money with our effort. ±
± ±
± Support the good developer if you like it. ±
± We would like to support you for free as long as you understand ±
± what you are doing and what it means. ±

so who earns the finger?
seems someone is pissed when puting finger in wound

why this is not the place to discuss? i think this is 100% right place to do
maybe to find other ways, but maybe this is not wanted, because you wouldnt get money for

It's funny how you pick and choose something and completely ignore all my valid points. I'm pissed because I have to listen to this crap day in and day out. I don't have a wound, I work here for free which should highlight exactly why I don't want to listen to this. You have free will to either download here or not just like you have free will to ignore that you steal software every day and act like you have some moral high ground. And I'd love to hear suggestions for other ways where someone will work 7 days a week for no incentive. You have literally no idea how much work goes into uploading and keeping links maintained. Here's a challenge: try it for a week and tell me that you would consistently do that for free because you love scene groups so much.

not that funny like working for free for ppl to make money with the great hard work of others ;)

I don't work for free for people that make money off of the hard work of others, the fact that you insinuate this is fucking insulting. Remember that when you're stealing some new app in 5 minutes. You're making money off of it too, you just don't look at it that way but it's the same exact thing. I don't know if you realize but software costs a lot of money. If you're a man of such high moral fiber what exactly are you doing here?

1. long time ago, supplying via pubftp also was not easy "to keep alive" like these links here, but nobody get paid for, yes, it is something ethical

2. warez arent bad, also not for industry:
- most pll using at home, not earning money with e.g. their music, why they shouldnt
use the pro appz, most of them cant afford them, most wouldnt ever buy even they
woudnt be available as crack. companies only have a loss, when money is made with
their products with cracked version (pls remeber AiR, H2O, Oxygen, RADiUM, but also R2R
philosophy : when you make money with, pls BUY)
- good software get higher sells, because many ppl know them because they used as crack
before and maybe would not even know this software exists, when it has not been
cracked
- many companies profit from employees knowing e.g. ms office or adobe photoshop, but
they are too expensive, for home office letters or editing familypics

for me its more the question, why ppl doent feel bad to give money to uploading.to to get warez, instead of saving it for buying 1 plugin a year they use and like, besides to using warez. oh, of course, its so convenient..

yes, its scene moral you may not understand: using warez is ok, making money with warez is bad (with uploading or like point blank selling vids with cracked sylenth1 in it, sae used h2o cubase...)
for ppl who can afford software: please buy it, for ppl who cant: have fun with professional tools, maybe you once earn money with and can buy your software then

btw: it wasnt my intention to insult you directly, im not english so maybe it could get wrong (but of course to all who are making money with warez)
but your middle finger just remind me to r2r nfo text

no better place to discuss making money with warez than a place, where ppl do it ;)

im pretty sure we still would have more fine AiR releases when uploading&co wouldnt exsist (edit: better saying: pll wouldnt use them for making money with their work)

this isnt a part of scene, this is destroying scene

I'm going to have to disagree with you. The scene was destroyed long ago by mainstream adoption not profiting off of warez. Personally I've always been against public sharing because in my opinion it's done more harm than anything. Originally the numbers of people involved in the warez scene were comparatively small to the rampant piracy that is going on now. This allowed it to function under the radar and minimized profiting off of releases. When it was like this developers didn't feel as much of an impact but ever since the whole process became part of culture and was subsequently dumbed down for the brainless masses everyone can download software free, the developers really are feeling an impact. Especially considering big name producers that make 7 figure salaries are being caught (by their own stupidity) with cracked copies of Sylenth. If they're not paying for it I have little faith that many others, some of whom aren't even making any money of off their music, are. And on top of that it has made the waters unsafe for old school folks like me and people have become ungrateful to boot. I also wouldn't go so far as to call warez okay because I am honest enough to admit that if it's not totally wrong it's definitely in the ballpark especially factoring in how people go about it. You can't steal a car and say: yeah but I'm driving it all over town and because I like it so much I am therefore advertising and bringing in sales. Though there is no doubt that warez is advertisement, it is no excuse to download everything on the planet which most here do. I know the scene ethics well and honestly they have a double-standard because scene groups are stealing someone else's software, unlocking it and doing whatever they want so I don't understand how they can get mad at someone else doing the same. The only difference is they get paid in honor and respect rather than cash. If they wanted to minimize this then they should never have shared with the public and kept it behind locked doors. And your comparison with links going down on FTP servers is not the same at all. And that's in addition to the fact that there was less pressure from righsholders back then and the takedown process wasn't automated. This makes links go down way more than they ever could there and reuploading a 5-30 gig library gets to be a real pain in the ass when you're doing it 20 times a day. In the end this conversation is useless because like I always remind people it's not going to change. It's also a conversation that has been had over and over and over every day for as long as I can remember. If you want to download with minimal "payments" then hop onto that Secure FTP server (if you have access), download the torrent, go on UseNet (which also costs money) or make private encrypted networks between friends. There are other options. Finally I prefer to focus on the software I'm getting so I can make music rather than waste time on meaningless arguments about where it came from and if anyone made any cash bringing it to me. All I know is that I didn't pay for it.

GanjaRa: Simple question: SO.. what do you do for the scene?
What do you do for other musicians?
Are you working for free?

I see you have 14 comments, almost all of them asking for something here...

You know what happens to ftp? They are now "pay to enter" so do you you still think people don't need to eat to go on doing things?


Any way, for 2 or 3 guys like you, there are hundreds of happy and grateful users here.

"there because scene groups are stealing someone else's software, unlocking it and doing whatever they want so I don't understand how they can get mad at someone else doing the same"

the difference: they doesnt make money with, to make it possible to use for ppl who cant afford (kinda robin hood ;)), try before buy (without noise every 20 sec)
and good soft will find their buyer, prolly more because of warez more ppl get in touch with

but now money goes to uploader and of course the uploading portales, not to audiocompanies, thats the wrong way, we should think about (not useless in my mind)

and nobody has to upload gigs for other ppl, when they want do it to share with other, its ok for me
but when they do for earning easy money with sitting on a chair in front of the computer i dont have to like that
"reuploading a 5-30 gig library gets to be a real pain in the ass when you're doing it 20 times a day" is not a pro argument to me for making money with warez nor an excuse
when they would get busted i dont have a tear for them
but i have for AiR, but releasing almost nothing anymore seems the only way in this times... thats ethic, moral, spirit, whatever you want call, sadly not many groups follow

please stop making money with warez!
and RADiUM forever :)

Scene groups just have different values and their currency is respect. The problem with the Robin Hood analogy is that now most people have no money so does that mean we can now steal everything? It's a good question to ask because once physical objects will be able to be pirated the world might have a real problem on it's hands. It sounds good in theory but I know that in practice it will cause a complete collapse. If good software were finding it's buyer I doubt Urs would spend such painstaking effort to lock down his products, same with XILS, same with Sonic Charge, Tone2, Rob Papen, etc. They're specifically doing that because they're not making the return on investment that they're looking for. And the bottom line is that there are other options but you don't want to use them and by doing so you're supporting the very thing that you don't approve of...which is fine but then don't complain about it afterwards. Doing so just makes people look like hypocrites.

GanjaRa,
better ask the other way around, do you buy software regular? (i mean synths, samples, daws, etc) or do you just leech?
and you know that scene groups uploaded things to gain ratio download things from other scene groups? it was always that way - so its somehow the same way working today.
thats why all scene groups are so proud that they make no money out of their things - they make no money, they gain ratio.

@Cataly5t Urs isnt locking their software, he likes to learn new things about coding (and in return he gets back money - nothing bad on it) and its also a challenge for the group - i bet he likes challenges also like r2r does or any other audio scene group.
a software without protection has no reverse value for the reversing scene.
and i dont think its easy to find a not to hard protection and a protection which makes it easy for the legal buyer to handle any authorization and license problems. (hint iLok apocalypse this year)

alright - go to see we discuss here.

GanjaRa

- most pll using at home, not earning money with e.g. their music, why they shouldnt
use the pro appz, most of them cant afford them, most wouldnt ever buy even they
woudnt be available as crack. companies only have a loss, when money is made with
their products with cracked version (pls remeber AiR, H2O, Oxygen, RADiUM, but also R2R
philosophy : when you make money with, pls BUY)

As Urs has said: Everyone who has a computer which can handle A.C.E can afford to buy it. All else is hypocrisy/whining.

And btw, there is no human right to having things you badly want: If you even don't have money to buy at least a cheap but mighty DAW (e.g. Reaper) and a good versatile cheap synth (e.g. A.C.E.), supported by those hundreds of usable freeware VSTs (e.g. TAL) then look for another hobby besides music production, easy as that. Oh wait, you need the most expensive DAW and hundreds of HQ plugins, because it is your right as a human being to indulge in your precious art, I get that.

BTW you too pay for warez indirectly - or do you have free Internet?

This constant harping about 'scene rules' - man, those times are over, belive it or not. If R2R says that they do not want others to make money from their releases, they do not mean the file hosters, they mean people who sell that stuff on Ebay or elsewhere, or use it in professional productions which generates income. Why there's still a lot of R2R releases then? Shouldn't they be embarassed about spreading their releases through money makers? Obviously they are not.